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Re: IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple

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Remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtvjbmoDx-I Can you imagine the company that made this getting into bed with IBM!?

That’s what people were saying in 1991 when Apple first partnered with IBM:

https://www.nytimes.com/1991/07/04/business/ibm-and-apple-gi...

Since then, the Apple-IBM relationship seems to be the longest “on again, off again” in computing.

Re: IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple

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Remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtvjbmoDx-I Can you imagine the company that made this getting into bed with IBM!?

Yes. I can imagine it because they've already done so repeatedly. The first case I can think of was Apple working with IBM on the Taligent operating system (designed to compete with what became NT and NeXTStep) circa 1988. Then the PowerPC chip at the center of Macs for years was co-developed with Apple, IBM, and Motorola, and in later years IBM supplied the actual chips. Also, the Apple Network Server machines (circa 1996) ran AIX.

Re: IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple

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This makes me worried for Apple. IBM is not a company that comes to mind when I think of cutting edge cloud services, and Watson in particular has seemed to be a pretty mediocre product with heavy marketing and gimmicks (Jeopardy and H&R Block come to mind). Does Apple really think that it would be better to outsource cloud services to IBM than develop their own? To me, it looks like Apple lacks confidence in their o…

>IBM is not a company that comes to mind when I think of cutting edge cloud services

"Cloud services" is a pretty nebulous term. When it comes to ML cloud services I don't think there are any clear leaders. AWS services don't really compare to this.

Re: IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple

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This makes me worried for Apple. IBM is not a company that comes to mind when I think of cutting edge cloud services, and Watson in particular has seemed to be a pretty mediocre product with heavy marketing and gimmicks (Jeopardy and H&R Block come to mind). Does Apple really think that it would be better to outsource cloud services to IBM than develop their own? To me, it looks like Apple lacks confidence in their o…

> Does Apple really think that it would be better to outsource cloud services to IBM than develop their own? To me, it looks like Apple lacks confidence in their own internal abilities, and that’s not a good look. I think it's a good move. At the very least, they can learn a bit from someone else on how to run a cloud service. Let me ask you this -- if you didn't already have the Apple hardware that was integrated wi…

I think you're missing the point of Apple's cloud services.

They exist exactly and only to make the user experience of their devices better. They don't make sense outside the Apple ecosystem, and that's how I imagine it's intended to be.

I have a mac and an iPhone and an iPad and I just want to be able to text my wife on any of them and have it work. That means contacts need to be synced, and there needs to be an answer for how the messages are synced between devices. Same with notes/calendars/etc. iCloud is hiding beneath all of it, and the whole point is that you don't see it, you just see your contacts list works everywhere you look.

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I wonder if Apple's choice of IBM for AI integration is motivated by the fact that IBM does not compete with them on any level? Outside of that, IBM/Watson seems like a comparatively bad choice of partners.

Tim Cook was with IBM for 12 years before Apple.

True, although it was from 1982-1994.

Re: IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple

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I don't understand why most of the comment here are negative. On the bright side, being able to train a model in any sort of cloud (doesn't matter if it is Azure, Google, AWS, or IBM) and then directly create CoreML models, and iterate from model feedback, is a pretty special and unique position. It's a hybrid edge + cloud approach to running A.I. for end applications, and I do see it to benefit developers who want to roll their own models and create new applications particularly to computer vision, photography, and videos.

Re: IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple

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This makes me worried for Apple. IBM is not a company that comes to mind when I think of cutting edge cloud services, and Watson in particular has seemed to be a pretty mediocre product with heavy marketing and gimmicks (Jeopardy and H&R Block come to mind). Does Apple really think that it would be better to outsource cloud services to IBM than develop their own? To me, it looks like Apple lacks confidence in their o…

This isn't outsourcing, it is advertising. Apple and IBM have complimentary services that they've just made easier to integrate.

There is a vacuum in the Enterprise from when Blackberry was the go-to device. This smells of an in-road Apple might be taking to make itself the defacto Mobile Device for Enterprise.

IBM benefits from this by being able to market Watson services easier to App makers.

Re: IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does Apple really think that it would be better to outsource cloud services to IBM than develop their own? To me, it looks like Apple lacks confidence in their own internal abilities, and that’s not a good look. I think it's a good move. At the very least, they can learn a bit from someone else on how to run a cloud service. Let me ask you this -- if you didn't already have the Apple hardware that was integrated wi…

The user experiences of Notes and Contacts are both perfect, and they're an enormous part of what I do with a computing device

Agreed, Notes is now fully featured enough that it’s the only app I use for any kind of note taking.

Re: IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple

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Just spent a few minutes playing with the Watson Custom Model for vision flow and let's just say I am totally disappointed is an understatement, few things I noticed: 1. You first need to register an account, and to my surprise there is no command line tool or REST APIs, the entire interface is written in HTML. Hmmm, are they expecting me to specify the network structure by pressing buttons 2. Okay next, after choosing the visual model, it leads you directly to a web page with a bunch of widgets where you can add classes and negatives. To a seasoned ML engineers, this whole interface is useless. The classification has to be done at a full image level, no way to define the layers, the loss function, or any knobs to play around with the network. To an amateur, this is also very confusing. What are they expecting us to drag in to the negatives, if it's a logistic classifier, I could understand but for classifying an image, what exactly do you expect us to put? 3. Btw, to upload images, they expect .zip format, and this is where i stopped. Do they seriously think I will now export this so-called "model" to CoreML and load it to my Xcode?

If they came up with this 5 years ago I might play with it a little longer, but don't the IBM engineers keep up with what's going on at GOOGL, FB or AMZN. I can't possibly imagine anyone using this to develop iPhone apps for the purpose of image recognition, even if it's an offline flow.

Re: IBM Cloud Developer Console for Apple

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This makes me worried for Apple. IBM is not a company that comes to mind when I think of cutting edge cloud services, and Watson in particular has seemed to be a pretty mediocre product with heavy marketing and gimmicks (Jeopardy and H&R Block come to mind). Does Apple really think that it would be better to outsource cloud services to IBM than develop their own? To me, it looks like Apple lacks confidence in their o…

> IBM is not a company that comes to mind when I think of cutting edge cloud services

But Apple is?

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