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Facebook’s Surveillance Machine

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Re: Facebook’s Surveillance Machine

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In many cases, industry self-regulation can be a good solution to protecting customers from being wronged. PCI is a great example- there can be huge fines on merchants that don't meet strict regulations for handling customer financial transactions according to the strict standards set by PCI. What has become extremely clear from this situation is that we are far past the point of self-regulation being the answer for…

> In many cases, industry self-regulation can be a good solution to protecting customers from being wronged.

PCI is a self-regulation by self-interest: not to protect the card holders, but merely to protect the card issuers first. Because legislation made issuers responsible for most mishaps in payments.

What are documented examples of industry self-regulation in the interest of customers? (true question, I'm genuinely wondering about it)

Re: Facebook’s Surveillance Machine

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when talking about Cambridge Analytica we should also discuss Palantir from 5 years ago: https://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-06/mysterious... Palantir ‘wields as much real-world power as Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft and Apple, but unlike them, Palantir operates so far under the radar, it is special ops.’ https://channels.theinnovationenterprise.com/articles/is-pal... Yes, that's the same Thiel who i…

Thiel did not sue Gawker, Terry Bollea ( known professionally as "Hulk Hogan" ) did, Thiel only bankrolled the suit. Gawker going down was their own fault, they defied a court order in a very explicit manner : https://web.archive.org/web/20130428130143/http://gawker.com...

Re: Facebook’s Surveillance Machine

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wow+1. Truly creepy. But this is possible because we let them use this data. Thankfully, in EU the GDRP makes this almost impossible. On a side note, working on a platform that is similar to sentiance in data aquisition, but for totally other purpose and zero effect on privacy, due to a transparent anonymization.

Are you going to invade a foreign power when one of their sovereigns ignores your demand to forget?

Legally, I cannot collect any data and keep the source. So I do strip all the possible identification, until someone's effort to pin point to any personal data becomes economically unfeasible. I also tend to store as little as possible raw data and in some cases, I do data scrambling, where the data as in values is not important for the engine.

A demand to forget has to show that I have data on that person. Without this, claim is impossible. No invasion.

Re: Facebook’s Surveillance Machine

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when talking about Cambridge Analytica we should also discuss Palantir from 5 years ago: https://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-06/mysterious... Palantir ‘wields as much real-world power as Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft and Apple, but unlike them, Palantir operates so far under the radar, it is special ops.’ https://channels.theinnovationenterprise.com/articles/is-pal... Yes, that's the same Thiel who i…

Wow, sentiance is super creepy.

And people keep whining about the GDPR.

Re: Facebook’s Surveillance Machine

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I think it's time to finally close the FB account, move on to Firefox and disable 3rd party trackers and start using VPN routinely.

>move on to Firefox

I can't trust them after the case when they installed the extension as an advertising company of the TV series. 21st centery, you can't trust anyone.

Re: Facebook’s Surveillance Machine

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wow+1. Truly creepy. But this is possible because we let them use this data. Thankfully, in EU the GDRP makes this almost impossible. On a side note, working on a platform that is similar to sentiance in data aquisition, but for totally other purpose and zero effect on privacy, due to a transparent anonymization.

Are you going to invade a foreign power when one of their sovereigns ignores your demand to forget?

No, just like China doesn't invade the United States because someone on Hacker News posted a nastygram about Jinping.

But it sure as shit won't let you run a Chinese message board where you allow that sort of thing.

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But careful with the VPNs. They are leaking and selling data too. Can't find the article at this moment, but there was on HN not long ago.

Sure, there's no way to know. But it is possible to distribute trust across multiple VPN services, such that none of them alone can compromise you. You just nest one VPN inside another. It's easy using VMs. Most simply, connect to one VPN provider in the host machine, and to another in a VM. Using pfSense VMs as VPN gateways, you can chain more deeply. It's the same idea that's behind Tor using three-relay circuits.…

Do you realise that this kind of behaviour will make you automatically a suspect? Remember, is not the data that you transfer, but the metadata of it which is always visible.

Maintain appearance of normal, but block just what is doing really harm, like advertising and certain cookies. And don't post anything personal online. Use firefox on private window.

Re: Facebook’s Surveillance Machine

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In many cases, industry self-regulation can be a good solution to protecting customers from being wronged. PCI is a great example- there can be huge fines on merchants that don't meet strict regulations for handling customer financial transactions according to the strict standards set by PCI. What has become extremely clear from this situation is that we are far past the point of self-regulation being the answer for…

> In many cases, industry self-regulation can be a good solution to protecting customers from being wronged. PCI is a self-regulation by self-interest: not to protect the card holders, but merely to protect the card issuers first. Because legislation made issuers responsible for most mishaps in payments. What are documented examples of industry self-regulation in the interest of customers? (true question, I'm genuine…

The trick is to have customers that aren’t users.

Re: Facebook’s Surveillance Machine

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when talking about Cambridge Analytica we should also discuss Palantir from 5 years ago: https://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-06/mysterious... Palantir ‘wields as much real-world power as Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft and Apple, but unlike them, Palantir operates so far under the radar, it is special ops.’ https://channels.theinnovationenterprise.com/articles/is-pal... Yes, that's the same Thiel who i…

Thiel did not sue Gawker, Terry Bollea ( known professionally as "Hulk Hogan" ) did, Thiel only bankrolled the suit. Gawker going down was their own fault, they defied a court order in a very explicit manner : https://web.archive.org/web/20130428130143/http://gawker.com...

you're right yes. I should make clear that I shed no tears for gawker. good riddance. but Thiel's position on everything (from voting Trump to supporting surveillance capitalism) is still noteworthy.
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