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Re: Kerbal Space Program Extension Now Available

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Post by rkagerer »

remarkEon wrote: post #16

I’ve spent a lot of time playing KSP. This game has an incredibly steep learning curve. The best thing they could do is build a player autopilot that lets them get to orbit with basic rocket builds. There’s a ton of hardcore players (like me) who do things like write kOS scripts to run rockets to the mun and beyond. But that kind of thing is lost on the person who first downloads this game. If the devs are reading th…

I loved this game, even wrote / helped maintain some mods, but stopped playing due to performance degradation that gets worse the longer the application runs (especially slow scene changes). In my humble opinion the best thing they could do is plug the memory leaks, refine the architecture to make it more robust and uniform, sharpen the performance and make the game I loved playable again. I'd love an extension that tracks cycles spent on a function-by-function basis and aggregates data to track down misbehaving mods.

Re: Kerbal Space Program Extension Now Available

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Post by marvin »

rocky1138 wrote: post #10

I had heard the original team that built this game quit due to poor working conditions. Is that true? If so, who built this expansion and have the working conditions improved?

The original devs were paid next to nothing while developing KSP from their own ideas, with the efforts of a startup company. Terribly poor negotiation tactics on their part, but still quite shitty of the owners not to give them a massive bonus after the huge success of the game.

Given those ethics, I wouldn't believe a new team got better conditions without solid proof.

Re: Kerbal Space Program Extension Now Available

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Post by koolba »

marvin wrote: post #22
rocky1138 wrote: post #10

I had heard the original team that built this game quit due to poor working conditions. Is that true? If so, who built this expansion and have the working conditions improved?

The original devs were paid next to nothing while developing KSP from their own ideas, with the efforts of a startup company. Terribly poor negotiation tactics on their part, but still quite shitty of the owners not to give them a massive bonus after the huge success of the game. Given those ethics, I wouldn't believe a new team got better conditions without solid proof.

> Terribly poor negotiation tactics on their part, but still quite shitty of the owners not to give them a massive bonus after the huge success of the game.

If the game failed to gain traction would we be asking the devs to give a refund of their salaries?

> Given those ethics, I wouldn't believe a new team got better conditions without solid proof.

There’s nothing unethical with not sharing the bounties of success with those that aren’t sharing the costs of the risks.

Re: Kerbal Space Program Extension Now Available

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Post by siddboots »

koolba wrote: post #23
marvin wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original devs were paid next to nothing while developing KSP from their own ideas, with the efforts of a startup company. Terribly poor negotiation tactics on their part, but still quite shitty of the owners not to give them a massive bonus after the huge success of the game. Given those ethics, I wouldn't believe a new team got better conditions without solid proof.

> Terribly poor negotiation tactics on their part, but still quite shitty of the owners not to give them a massive bonus after the huge success of the game. If the game failed to gain traction would we be asking the devs to give a refund of their salaries? > Given those ethics, I wouldn't believe a new team got better conditions without solid proof. There’s nothing unethical with not sharing the bounties of success w…

Without knowing the details, the fact that multiple core developers quit seems to be some evidence that they were treated unethically. That's not something that happens in normal conditions.

Re: Kerbal Space Program Extension Now Available

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Post by TeMPOraL »

remarkEon wrote: post #16

I’ve spent a lot of time playing KSP. This game has an incredibly steep learning curve. The best thing they could do is build a player autopilot that lets them get to orbit with basic rocket builds. There’s a ton of hardcore players (like me) who do things like write kOS scripts to run rockets to the mun and beyond. But that kind of thing is lost on the person who first downloads this game. If the devs are reading th…

I disagree. Half of the value of this game comes from the fact it forces you to learn a few things about real physics along the way. Beginnings ain't hard. You can easily get to orbit manually, and you can even eyeball your way to the Mün.

That said, something like the per-stage ∆v display from KER (a mod) should IMO be stock, both during construction and in-flight - without that one piece of information, any trip past Kerbin orbit gets too difficult - you either end up seriously overbuilding your vehicle, or run out of fuel in the middle of a mission.

Re: Kerbal Space Program Extension Now Available

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Post by thomasz »

koolba wrote: post #23
marvin wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original devs were paid next to nothing while developing KSP from their own ideas, with the efforts of a startup company. Terribly poor negotiation tactics on their part, but still quite shitty of the owners not to give them a massive bonus after the huge success of the game. Given those ethics, I wouldn't believe a new team got better conditions without solid proof.

> Terribly poor negotiation tactics on their part, but still quite shitty of the owners not to give them a massive bonus after the huge success of the game. If the game failed to gain traction would we be asking the devs to give a refund of their salaries? > Given those ethics, I wouldn't believe a new team got better conditions without solid proof. There’s nothing unethical with not sharing the bounties of success w…

It's selfish on an unfathomable level. And on top of that, it is self defeating. This is a stunt that you can only pull of once. Who in their right mind would ever want to work for, or even with, such horrible people ever again? How many who would've gladly paid them, will now pirate without the slightest remorse? I'm quite sure this move did cost them a lot of money in the long run.

Re: Kerbal Space Program Extension Now Available

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Post by koolba »

thomasz wrote: post #26
koolba wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Terribly poor negotiation tactics on their part, but still quite shitty of the owners not to give them a massive bonus after the huge success of the game. If the game failed to gain traction would we be asking the devs to give a refund of their salaries? > Given those ethics, I wouldn't believe a new team got better conditions without solid proof. There’s nothing unethical with not sharing the bounties of success w…

It's selfish on an unfathomable level. And on top of that, it is self defeating. This is a stunt that you can only pull of once. Who in their right mind would ever want to work for, or even with , such horrible people ever again? How many who would've gladly paid them, will now pirate without the slightest remorse? I'm quite sure this move did cost them a lot of money in the long run.

> It's selfish on an unfathomable level. And on top of that, it is self defeating. This is a stunt that you can only pull of once.

This “stunt” (ie paying what you agreed upon) is pulled by every company that hires contractors which covers just about successful startup.

> Who in their right mind would ever want to work for, or even with, such horrible people ever again?

Perhaps it’s a mindset difference but I don’t feel entitled to other’s gains simply because they’re more successful than originally anticipated.

That’s not to say there aren’t plenty of other reasons not to work with someone or some place. From what I’ve read the working conditions at KSP for the devs were quite bad.

> How many who would've gladly paid them, will now pirate without the slightest remorse? I'm quite sure this move did cost them a lot of money in the long run.

Software pirates, in particular pirates for games, don’t care about your supposed morals. If they’re going to pirate a game they’ll do it anyway.

Re: Kerbal Space Program Extension Now Available

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Post by SaturateDK »

thomasz wrote: post #15
rocky1138 wrote: post #10

I had heard the original team that built this game quit due to poor working conditions. Is that true? If so, who built this expansion and have the working conditions improved?

https://www.destructoid.com/former-kerbal-space-program-deve... They won't get a dime from me ever. For anything.

I got it at the very start, and I'm pretty sad to hear about this.

Re: Kerbal Space Program Extension Now Available

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Post by thomasz »

koolba wrote: post #27
thomasz wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's selfish on an unfathomable level. And on top of that, it is self defeating. This is a stunt that you can only pull of once. Who in their right mind would ever want to work for, or even with , such horrible people ever again? How many who would've gladly paid them, will now pirate without the slightest remorse? I'm quite sure this move did cost them a lot of money in the long run.

> It's selfish on an unfathomable level. And on top of that, it is self defeating. This is a stunt that you can only pull of once. This “stunt” ( ie paying what you agreed upon ) is pulled by every company that hires contractors which covers just about successful startup. > Who in their right mind would ever want to work for, or even with, such horrible people ever again? Perhaps it’s a mindset difference but I don’t…

The only way to get people into such "I get everything and you get nothing" arrangements is to either take advantage of an incredibly desperate situation, or through deception.
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