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Re: Fordlandia

#21

At the time, I'm sure Ford's ideas were considered very progressive and a gift to the indigenous people. Today, he's the target of a critical article like this one. (There's more criticism of Winston Churchill on HN today, too.) My theory is that the world has become so prosperous (at least parts of it) that people have no idea what's good and what's not any more.

Perhaps if you were, say, Indian, you'd feel less favorably disposed to Churchill, even if you did not live a life of opulence. You don't have to agree with someone else's perspective to be able to understand it.

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Bill Gates never ran a computer business. Yes he did. >At age 17, Gates formed a venture with Allen, called Traf-O-Data, to make traffic counters based on the Intel 8008 processor.[1] And the idea that someone needs to have run a computer business in the past in order to run a computer business in the future is illogical. It means that no one would ever be able to start running a computer business. The requirement s…

"It means that no one would ever be able to start running a computer business. The requirement should not be running a business in the past, but having some experience with that type of business in the past. Bill Gates had tons of computer experience." Thanks for helping me make my point. Also, I didn't say "Bill Gates" and "Microsoft". You're right, Traf-O-Data was a "modest success". It reinforces my point.

Right, who could forget the epoch-making work of Traf-O-Data.

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#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It means that no one would ever be able to start running a computer business. The requirement should not be running a business in the past, but having some experience with that type of business in the past. Bill Gates had tons of computer experience." Thanks for helping me make my point. Also, I didn't say "Bill Gates" and "Microsoft". You're right, Traf-O-Data was a "modest success". It reinforces my point.

Right, who could forget the epoch-making work of Traf-O-Data.

Since when is success dependent on the amount of people in the world that know about it?

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#24

I can recommend Jóhann Jóhannsson's Fordlandia [1] (also responsible for the soundtrack to Arrival, and sadly recently deceased) as worth a listen, inspired by the Fordlândia experiment. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordlandia_(album)

Oh no, I hadn't heard Jóhannsson had died. What a terrible loss.

I'll be listening to IBM 1401, A User's Manual tonight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBw_wSoVQrY

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#26
The part of the article that starts with this paragraph is particularly enlightening:

> In implementing his vision, Ford faced cultural and climactic obstacles. People in Brazil were, for instance, used to working in the early morning, then taking a break during the hottest parts of the day, and later coming back to work. This didn’t fit with Ford’s ideal nine-to-five workday. Also, back in the States, Ford had created an industrial system where workers could actually afford to buy the products they made, but in the Amazon there wasn’t that much to buy. “There was no consumer society within the Amazon so they didn’t actually need the high wages that Ford was promising,” Grandin elaborates. So “they would work a few weeks or a few months and then they would disappear and … go back into the jungle to work their plots, to produce their own food, and maybe they come back the following year, and this would drive the Ford managers mad.” Ford’s turnover-reducing strategies didn’t work in Amazon like they had in Detroit.

This is a great example of how you can't just transplant a culture and expect it to work flawlessly. Cultures evolve to fit the environment that surrounds them, and attempting to blindly copy things that worked in one environment, and assuming they'll work in another, is folly.

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Rob Dunn also tells the story of Fordlandia in Never out of Season ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/031626072X ). It’s a quick and interesting read of why we need crop diversity, and has a couple of really interesting cautionary tales. The most enticing one to me was the story of how Cassava was saved from disaster in Africa. Somehow a certain mealybug crossed over from Cassavas native range in South America, and fre…

Oh how quickly the blight would destroy the rubber trees of Southeast Asia...

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#28

Oh, brave new world.

I didn't know much about Henry Ford when I read that book so I was a little amused at first that he would be a central background character of a futuristic novel. About halfway through I read parts of his biography and things clicked. Great book by the way.

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post #20

Ah the paragon of american assembly line manufacturing, Henry Ford. As a millennial its taken me a while to get the real dirt on the guy, as in america highschools extol only his virtue. Did you know Ford had his own secret police after he doubled the salary of his workforce? To qualify for his doubled salary, the worker had to be thrifty and continent. He had to keep his home neat and his children healthy, and, if h…

How much of those policies Ford was implienting can be attributed to the culture of the time? I understand in today's culture such a pushing of family values is pretty much illegal but i wonder how many other companies at the time had similar kinds of policies.
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