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We Dare You to Explain Luke’s Plan to Rescue Han in ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Re: We Dare You to Explain Luke’s Plan to Rescue Han in ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Post by uiri »

pweissbrod wrote: post #7

It's interesting to wonder how crowds would receive Empire Strikes Back if it came out today. I wager it would get roughly the same praise about special effects in action and criticism about bizarre story as the most recent Disney episode

The most recent Disney episode was basically Empire Strikes Back but more poorly done. All the major plot points are there, although some out of order and some new ones just to make sure it makes even less sense.

Jedi student training with an old, grouchy master on a far away planet? Check. Betrayal by a new character introduced during that episode? Check. Rebels trapped in their base, about to get attacked by AT-ATs? Check. Jedi student abandons training to rescue friends? Check.

Re: We Dare You to Explain Luke’s Plan to Rescue Han in ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Post by discoursism »

michaelchisari wrote: post #19
jimmytucson wrote: post #8

This sounds like a question Sci-fi Stack Exchange would make mince meat out of. For example: https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/182014/why-does-th... But seriously, little inconsistencies like these make me think Star Wars was just meant to be a kids’ movie and not a sacred document to be handed down and analyzed by generations like the Tanakh or something.

Star Wars was just meant to be a kids’ movie and not a sacred document I saw The Last Jedi, had a great time, and came home to find Star Wars fans apoplectic about it, picking apart all kinds of things ("how does rey know how to swim?", "how does leia survive space?", etc). The original trilogy would never survive similar scrutiny. I went to see a kids movie about space wizards, and that's what I got. It was fun.

Obviously, everyone is entitled to enjoy what they want, but this movie was difficult for me, even by Star Wars standards. If we can just destroy entire enemy fleets by jumping to lightspeed with one ship, why are not all battles fought that way. Also, why couldn't the captain leave and have the computer pilot the ship?

Maybe it's just that the original trilogy slipped in to me before I got old enough to where I think about such things. Maybe it is a double standard. But I don't feel like it is. And that's all I have to go on.

But, I don't begrudge you enjoying the movie! Wish I felt the same.

Re: We Dare You to Explain Luke’s Plan to Rescue Han in ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #12
ovao wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like the explanation, but here's where I get hung up on it: at what point did Luke — in his collective scheming with the gang — inform Leia that she'd probably be put in a bikini and licked upon by a slug gangster if anything went even slightly wrong? Or was Leia in Jabba-bondage part of Luke's plan all along, and he is, in reality, just kind of an inconsiderate dick?

Relatedly, at what point did George Lucas inform Carrie Fisher of the same?

From what I remember reading, this was Carrie Fisher's idea.

Re: We Dare You to Explain Luke’s Plan to Rescue Han in ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Post by saagarjha »

OrganicMSG wrote: post #15

Luke was never meant to enter. He was supposed to be the getaway pilot. Lando, R2D2 and C3PO are supposed to break out Chewie, fetch Leia and Han, then all escape and get picked up by Luke. Luke is just winging it after everybody missed the rendezvous, as Leia underestimated just how long Jabba and his entourage could wait silently behind a curtain. The lightsaber was carried in by R2D2 as a backup weapon for Leia, w…

Leia, who has no training with a lightsaber?

Re: We Dare You to Explain Luke’s Plan to Rescue Han in ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

AlimJaffer wrote: post #10
farnsworthy wrote: post #2

It was like the idea behind a lot of startups: "We're gonna bring a lot of really talented people together in the same space to collaborate, and just see what happens." In another galaxy far, far away, the palace ended up as .jabba, a trendy coworking cafe. You had Boba Fett hacking away in the corner on his space-food delivery startup (bounty hunting's the day job), jawas on their ridesharing service (can't ever und…

Who are the VC's? Emperor Palapatine and the Siths?

jaba would be the VC, the empire would be the large corporations aquihiring

Re: We Dare You to Explain Luke’s Plan to Rescue Han in ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Post by OrganicMSG »

saagarjha wrote: post #24
OrganicMSG wrote: post #15

Luke was never meant to enter. He was supposed to be the getaway pilot. Lando, R2D2 and C3PO are supposed to break out Chewie, fetch Leia and Han, then all escape and get picked up by Luke. Luke is just winging it after everybody missed the rendezvous, as Leia underestimated just how long Jabba and his entourage could wait silently behind a curtain. The lightsaber was carried in by R2D2 as a backup weapon for Leia, w…

Leia, who has no training with a lightsaber?

She's got grenades and blasters down, so I suspect she could work out where the pointy end goes.

Re: We Dare You to Explain Luke’s Plan to Rescue Han in ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Post by cgriswald »

saudioger wrote: post #9

I assumed that they really just didn't communicate with each other well. Leia showed up on her own (and failed), Luke sent the droids as part of _his_ plan (also failed), Lando was trying to get Han out from the inside (interrupted by the other plans)... they just didn't coordinate.

At the end of ESB, Luke and Leia are together with the droids in the medical frigate, while Lando and Chewie are together in the Falcon. They have plans to meet on Tatooine to rescue Han. It would be surprising if, after meeting on Tatooine, they all went their separate ways to try their own plans.

Re: We Dare You to Explain Luke’s Plan to Rescue Han in ‘Return of the Jedi’

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Post by saagarjha »

OrganicMSG wrote: post #27
saagarjha wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leia, who has no training with a lightsaber?

She's got grenades and blasters down, so I suspect she could work out where the pointy end goes.

Well, those aren’t civilized weapons, are they?
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