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Re: Google Sued by Ex-Recruiter Alleging Anti-White, Asian Bias

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Post by AstralStorm » Fri, Mar 02, 2018, 9:05 AM UTC

glenra wrote: post #20

discoursism wrote: post #10

I don't know if this guy has taken a look around, but Google is like 75% white and Asian males, and 25% everyone else. That might even be slightly generous. It skews even more for those in power. Doesn't seem like these classes are having any trouble succeeding at the company. It might not be hard to convince a jury that it would be 80 or 85% if Google stopped all pro-diversity measures. It might be hard to convince…

> Google is like 75% white and Asian males, and 25% everyone else.[...] Doesn't seem like these classes are having any trouble succeeding at the company. At a first glance the racial category "white" on its own is obviously underrepresented at Google both relative to the population of California and relative to that of the United States. California is ~79% "white" (2005 data here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr…

It is probably even more underrepresented if you sample just tech graduates.

You cannot have racial diversity without massive discrimination if the source is biased.

Re: Google Sued by Ex-Recruiter Alleging Anti-White, Asian Bias

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Post by AstralStorm » Fri, Mar 02, 2018, 9:07 AM UTC

FreekNortier wrote: post #19

Google fighting against The Bell Curve.

Nah, racial distribution in tech graduates in US is heavily skewed. It is not even close to bell curve.

If they actually want diversity they should fix the problems at source not discriminate.

Re: Google Sued by Ex-Recruiter Alleging Anti-White, Asian Bias

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Post by FreekNortier » Fri, Mar 02, 2018, 9:39 AM UTC

AstralStorm wrote: post #22

FreekNortier wrote: post #19

Google fighting against The Bell Curve.

Nah, racial distribution in tech graduates in US is heavily skewed. It is not even close to bell curve. If they actually want diversity they should fix the problems at source not discriminate.

What is the "source" according to you?

Re: Google Sued by Ex-Recruiter Alleging Anti-White, Asian Bias

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Post by IshKebab » Fri, Mar 02, 2018, 10:14 AM UTC

discoursism wrote: post #13

poster123 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it can be shown that Google refused to interview certain candidates because of their race or sex, that is illegal discrimination, regardless of the demographics of Google's workforce.

Yeah, I'll be surprised if that can actually be shown, but I guess it wouldn't be the first time I've been surprised.

I mean, an email explicitly saying "We should only consider L3s from our underrepresented groups" seems pretty clear no? Or did you not read the article?

Re: Google Sued by Ex-Recruiter Alleging Anti-White, Asian Bias

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Post by discoursism » Fri, Mar 02, 2018, 6:41 PM UTC

IshKebab wrote: post #24

discoursism wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I'll be surprised if that can actually be shown, but I guess it wouldn't be the first time I've been surprised.

I mean, an email explicitly saying "We should only consider L3s from our underrepresented groups" seems pretty clear no? Or did you not read the article?

I see that there is a claim that such an email exists. I don't think this has actually been established yet. Even if this email was sent, I expect that either we'll find that in context it wasn't exclusionary (e.g. the group in question was to be dedicated to hiring from underrepresented groups, while other groups handled candidates from all backgrounds), or we'll find that it was in contravention to Google's policies on the issue. We'll also eventually learn that objecting to this email was not why the plaintiff was fired.

That's my expectation.

Re: Google Sued by Ex-Recruiter Alleging Anti-White, Asian Bias

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Post by shard972 » Mon, Mar 05, 2018, 3:34 AM UTC

discoursism wrote: post #18

shard972 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you mention that you deal mostly with whites and Asians, what kind of issues do you deal with that you wouldn't think we be as bad under a more diverse team.

I am not one who espouses a utility perspective on diversity. The research I've seen, such as it is, does not seem compelling. I care more about the justice aspect.

What If I said there was evidence to say diversity is a net-negative? From communication issues to cultural conflicts between employees?

Would there be a point where the negatives of diversity can outweigh the justice (Which i assume is something along the lines of offering employment to those who otherwise wouldn't be offered)?