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Re: Ian Knot

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Post by hamandcheese »

mkl wrote: post #11
weinzierl wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talking about other secure knots wouldn't be complete without mentioning the Granny Knot and what Ian says about the secure knot: > NOTE: For normal activities, the Ian Knot or other standard knots should be quite secure. I believe that many people seek more secure knots because they are, without realizing, tying their shoelaces with an un-balanced "Granny Knot". Please see my Granny Knot page that discusses this in…

I think this is right. In ten years of use, the handful of times the plain Ian Knot has come undone on me were from stepping on and end or similar - it's never come undone without some external force, and even then it's usually fine. I just checked and I'm not doing the Granny Knot version.

I believe it’s impossible to tie a granny knot using the Ian Knot method.

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Post by jimnotgym »

Since this is Hacker News I am going to take issue with some technical points. This is not a new knot, it is simply a reef knot with the ends slipped. Generations of sailors know it as a way of reefing (reducing the area of) sails . What this is, is an alleged new method for tying a reef knot with the ends slipped more quickly than the boy scouts 'left over right, right over left' method. I think this is an important distinction.

Actually I love this site! Does one thing, and does it well.

Re: Ian Knot

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Post by smichel17 »

Declanomous wrote: post #6

So, having tried this method in the past, and revisited this again just now, I don't thing it is actually faster. The set up requires each hand to independently form a loop with an opposite twist without the benefit of the other hand to brace the rest of the shoelace against. The gif of the knot does not show the set up, which is kind of unfair to the standard knot since that part is fundamentally baked-in to the sta…

I've been using the Ian knot for half a decade or so. It turns out there is little to no setup required, because the initial position is where your hands end after pulling the initial cross tight. If starting from pre-crossed laces, I agree there's no practical speed benefit.

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Post by [deleted] »

jimnotgym wrote: post #22

Since this is Hacker News I am going to take issue with some technical points. This is not a new knot, it is simply a reef knot with the ends slipped. Generations of sailors know it as a way of reefing (reducing the area of) sails . What this is, is an alleged new method for tying a reef knot with the ends slipped more quickly than the boy scouts 'left over right, right over left' method. I think this is an important…

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Re: Ian Knot

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Post by jacobolus »

jimnotgym wrote: post #22

Since this is Hacker News I am going to take issue with some technical points. This is not a new knot, it is simply a reef knot with the ends slipped. Generations of sailors know it as a way of reefing (reducing the area of) sails . What this is, is an alleged new method for tying a reef knot with the ends slipped more quickly than the boy scouts 'left over right, right over left' method. I think this is an important…

Who ever said this was a new knot?

The reef knot (square knot) with both ends slipped is called a bow knot (shoelace knot).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reef_knot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoelace_knot

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Post by Franciscouzo »

jacobolus wrote: post #25
jimnotgym wrote: post #22

Since this is Hacker News I am going to take issue with some technical points. This is not a new knot, it is simply a reef knot with the ends slipped. Generations of sailors know it as a way of reefing (reducing the area of) sails . What this is, is an alleged new method for tying a reef knot with the ends slipped more quickly than the boy scouts 'left over right, right over left' method. I think this is an important…

Who ever said this was a new knot? The reef knot (square knot) with both ends slipped is called a bow knot (shoelace knot). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reef_knot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoelace_knot

Did you even read the article? It says so in the first sentence.

Re: Ian Knot

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Post by jacobolus »

Franciscouzo wrote: post #26
jacobolus wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who ever said this was a new knot? The reef knot (square knot) with both ends slipped is called a bow knot (shoelace knot). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reef_knot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoelace_knot

Did you even read the article? It says so in the first sentence.

The bottom of the linked page clearly says “The finished ‘Ian Knot’ is identical to [..] the Standard Shoelace Knot”

If you click through to the page about the “standard shoelace knot” it adds: “This knot appears in The Ashley Book of Knots as #1212 and #1214, ‘The Bowknot’, where it is described as ‘... the universal means of fastening shoe-strings together.’” (That’s a reference book from the 1940s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ashley_Book_of_Knots)

Edit: note that this is a site aimed at an audience of people who want to tie their shoes, not topologists or sailors. Pedantic arguments about acceptable definitions of the word “knot” are ridiculous in this context.

Re: Ian Knot

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Post by jimnotgym »

jacobolus wrote: post #25
jimnotgym wrote: post #22

Since this is Hacker News I am going to take issue with some technical points. This is not a new knot, it is simply a reef knot with the ends slipped. Generations of sailors know it as a way of reefing (reducing the area of) sails . What this is, is an alleged new method for tying a reef knot with the ends slipped more quickly than the boy scouts 'left over right, right over left' method. I think this is an important…

Who ever said this was a new knot? The reef knot (square knot) with both ends slipped is called a bow knot (shoelace knot). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reef_knot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoelace_knot

> Who ever said this was a new knot?

> I tie my shoelaces with my own "Ian Knot", the World's Fastest Shoelace Knot (yes – I am the inventor):

It says so in the first line. How can you be the inventor of an existing knot?

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Post by lifeformed »

mjlee wrote: post #20

I've always been impressed by the lasting quality of this site. It's extremely simple (the only javascript is for ads), easy to navigate, fast to load and ranks 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th in Google for "shoe knot" and "shoelace knot".

Yeah, just look at the page source. So clean and readable, no extraneous boilerplate.

Re: Ian Knot

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Post by jimnotgym »

jacobolus wrote: post #27
Franciscouzo wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you even read the article? It says so in the first sentence.

The bottom of the linked page clearly says “The finished ‘Ian Knot’ is identical to [..] the Standard Shoelace Knot” If you click through to the page about the “standard shoelace knot” it adds: “This knot appears in The Ashley Book of Knots as #1212 and #1214, ‘The Bowknot’, where it is described as ‘... the universal means of fastening shoe-strings together.’” (That’s a reference book from the 1940s https://en.wikip…

But he has already claimed to be the inventor in the first line. This is even more shocking the article contradicts itself. I will only accept the term 'the Ian shoelace tying technique'
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