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Mark Cuban says studying philosophy may soon be worth more than computer science

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Re: Mark Cuban says studying philosophy may soon be worth more than computer science

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For some reason, despite him being extremely well-accomplished, I just can't take any advice he gives seriously, compared to Bill Gates or even Ray Dalio.

Mark Cuban got supremely lucky selling broadcast.com to Yahoo in the deal that best illustrated the crazy boom years of the .com bubble and believes that this makes him some kind of sage instead of a lottery winner.

You just can't compare him to Gates who got where he is today through a combination of luck at birth and supremely hard work (and some questionable business tactics).

Re: Mark Cuban says studying philosophy may soon be worth more than computer science

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His argument seems to be that advances in AI will mean that software development itself is soon automated away, in which case a CS degree will be useless. Then, he advocates studying philosophy because this future will need "big picture" thinkers. I don't know how much substance there is to discuss here. It pretty much hinges on how you think AI will develop over the coming decades. I am skeptical that software devel…

> from what I can tell its main selling point is that it teaches you to examine things in a critical way that's very aware of the argument in question, the assumptions made, and the structure the argument sits in.

That's definitely a big (and important) part of it. There's an unfortunate dearth of critical thinking and examination of ideas these days. I have theories as to why that is, but it's out of scope for this discussion so I will abstain.

Another big part of philosophy as well is to familiarize the student with the big ideas with the hope that they can be further refined, to drive both the individual thinker forward, and hopefully humanity as a whole as well.

For example, I think a hugely valuable part of philosophy training is the study of ethics. So many people (software engineers and companies included) don't really stop to think about the ethics surrounding what they are doing. This is a mistake, IMHO. I highly recommend reading about and understanding Immanuel Kant's work in this area, especially his categorical imperative and hypothetical imperative. Comparing/contrasting that with Jon Stuart Mill's Utilitarianism, and conducting various thought experiments makes for a good time (you can tell I'm quite the partier :-D ).

Re: Mark Cuban says studying philosophy may soon be worth more than computer science

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I studied philosophy in College but got my CS degree. I think some guy called Paul Graham did so too. I think philosophy is useful for detecting if someone is lying to you or doesn't know what they are talking about. It does stress critical thinking in different ways than say studying math (I also studied math also). I can't really take what he is saying though at any serious level though and I don't believe what he…

> philosophy is useful for detecting if someone is lying to you What do you mean? What did philosophy teach you about lie detection?

Ah, you caught him. You must also have taken philosophy.

Re: Mark Cuban says studying philosophy may soon be worth more than computer science

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post #15

His argument seems to be that advances in AI will mean that software development itself is soon automated away, in which case a CS degree will be useless. Then, he advocates studying philosophy because this future will need "big picture" thinkers. I don't know how much substance there is to discuss here. It pretty much hinges on how you think AI will develop over the coming decades. I am skeptical that software devel…

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Re: Mark Cuban says studying philosophy may soon be worth more than computer science

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For some reason, despite him being extremely well-accomplished, I just can't take any advice he gives seriously, compared to Bill Gates or even Ray Dalio.

He’s from the “got lucky” school of billionairing, but he has the ego of a Jobs or Gates. A well funded blowhard in other words; your instincts are on target. That, and evaluating statements on their own (dubious in this case) merit is a good thing, always. Even very smart and accomplished people can say things which deserve careful scrutiny, and may come up short.

Re: Mark Cuban says studying philosophy may soon be worth more than computer science

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Ai hypers dont spend a min building ML models or munging data. Its so far away before AI can do all

This guy doesn't even know how to program. Some exec probably bamboozled his gullible self and now he's trying to making an ass of himself in headlines.

That’s so unkind! Come on, Cuban doesn’t need to try to make an ass of himself, it’s clearly effortless.

Re: Mark Cuban says studying philosophy may soon be worth more than computer science

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I studied philosophy in College but got my CS degree. I think some guy called Paul Graham did so too. I think philosophy is useful for detecting if someone is lying to you or doesn't know what they are talking about. It does stress critical thinking in different ways than say studying math (I also studied math also). I can't really take what he is saying though at any serious level though and I don't believe what he…

Also?

Re: Mark Cuban says studying philosophy may soon be worth more than computer science

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post #15

His argument seems to be that advances in AI will mean that software development itself is soon automated away, in which case a CS degree will be useless. Then, he advocates studying philosophy because this future will need "big picture" thinkers. I don't know how much substance there is to discuss here. It pretty much hinges on how you think AI will develop over the coming decades. I am skeptical that software devel…

"It's also unclear to me how exactly philosophy is better preparation. My own experience with academic philosophy is limited, but from what I can tell its main selling point is that it teaches you to examine things in a critical way that's very aware of the argument in question, the assumptions made, and the structure the argument sits in."

This really depends on the kind of philosophy you study, which philosophers you're interested in, and how you engage with and react to what you learn.

Asking what you get from studying philosophy is a little like asking what you get from reading books. It really depends on which books you read, how you read them, who you are, what stage of your life you're in, etc. The same books might speak differently to different people, and even to the same person at another stage in their life.

The English-speaking world (and increasingly the rest of the world) is dominated by analytic philosophy, which is one lens, or perhaps a family of lenses, to view philosophy through. But there's also continental philosophy, ancient philosophy, Eastern philosophy/religion, Pragamatism, etc. Each of them brings something different to the table, and has the potential to transform the way you understand the world.

Sure, philosophy can help with critical thinking skills, but to limit it to that is to ignore the content of what one actually learns and engages with. At its best, it can't be reduced to just a bundle of skills, set of knowledge, or "selling point".

Re: Mark Cuban says studying philosophy may soon be worth more than computer science

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Why philosophy in particular, though? I am sympathetic with worries about how automation will affect the job market, and I love philosophy -- but I saw no explanation in this article for why Mark Cuban believes philosophy in particular will be more valuable.

Because philosophy is seen as the de facto "worthless" degree in pop culture? Philosophy majors don't need to earn more in the future. Computer science majors just have to earn less. Something that isn't completely unrealistic. The BLS shows that developer incomes are already in decline.

Pay, of course, is determined by supply and demand. Developers currently do well because there are more jobs than people, but that can quickly change (and is changing, albeit slowly). The most common job in America only makes up about 3-4% of the entire workforce. Even if software jobs overtake that and grow to be the most common job in existence, but 10% of the population are willing and capable of being developers (not unbelievable given the current push by the education system to turn everyone into developers), it'll trend towards being a minimum wage job.

And that's assuming that the software labour industry grows substantially from its present size. Cuban is expecting it to shrink as AI takes on more and more development tasks which, if true, will mean we will need even fewer software professionals than we need today.

Re: Mark Cuban says studying philosophy may soon be worth more than computer science

#30

For some reason, despite him being extremely well-accomplished, I just can't take any advice he gives seriously, compared to Bill Gates or even Ray Dalio.

Mark Cuban got supremely lucky selling broadcast.com to Yahoo in the deal that best illustrated the crazy boom years of the .com bubble and believes that this makes him some kind of sage instead of a lottery winner. You just can't compare him to Gates who got where he is today through a combination of luck at birth and supremely hard work (and some questionable business tactics).

Cuban's stake in Broadcast.com's was worth about $100M before they sold to Yahoo, and since the sale to Yahoo, he's managed to over double his net worth via the Mavericks and his business interests. He may not be Gates, but I think he's more than a lottery winner.
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