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OpenSCHUFA – Reverse-engineering the algorithm of the German credit score agency

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Re: OpenSCHUFA – Reverse-engineering the algorithm of the German credit score agency

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SCHUFA is demanding a passport copy from EU citizens to obtain the annual unpaid data overview report. A citizen of an EU country residing in Germany is under no obligation to hold a passport. I don't understand how until now no one torn the SCHUFA credit bureau into pieces over it. https://i.imgur.com/nEZRJDv.png

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Re: OpenSCHUFA – Reverse-engineering the algorithm of the German credit score agency

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post #17

If this is really ‘open’, how we can access submitted data? Otherwise comments here about this project funded by competitor is making this a bit fishy.

Is Bertelsmann a competitor? Nevermind, just read it below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvato

btw. we are requestion infoscore aka Bertelsmann - data see stats https://okfn.de/blog/2018/02/openschufa-english/#update

Re: OpenSCHUFA – Reverse-engineering the algorithm of the German credit score agency

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SCHUFA is demanding a passport copy from EU citizens to obtain the annual unpaid data overview report. A citizen of an EU country residing in Germany is under no obligation to hold a passport. I don't understand how until now no one torn the SCHUFA credit bureau into pieces over it. https://i.imgur.com/nEZRJDv.png

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Re: OpenSCHUFA – Reverse-engineering the algorithm of the German credit score agency

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When applying for a loan, mobile phone contract, or even trying to rent an apartment in Germany, the Schufa score - Germany's credit rating - is decisive. If you have a few "points" too little, your application is refused. (Computer says "No" to your new smartphone or apartment.) However, the calculation of these credit scores - done by the private Schufa company - is fully intransparent. The formula is a trade secre…

„...even trying to rent an apartment in Germany...“ While this MAY be true in a lot of cases it certainly is not all the time. From my experience 50/50.

see this information https://www.settle-in-berlin.com/what-is-schufa/

Re: OpenSCHUFA – Reverse-engineering the algorithm of the German credit score agency

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post #12
post #9

Reading the funding goals[0] I don't understand why there is a funding goal of 30k to develop... an OCR app? Wouldn't it make more sense, from both financial and technical standpoint to accept raw images then do the OCR server side? Server side OCR probably has more resources, and can utilize better OCR software. And you can re-run it after some time on every image if the results aren't that accurate. [0] - https://w…

just raw images would cause major privacy & data protection issues

Fair enough. I've donated, even though I still think that developing OCR app might be a bit waste of resources.

I still find it to be lesser "evil" than schufa - which, I'm pretty sure, is also extremely discriminatory towards people who move to Germany and giving them worse score by default. Hopefully you'll get enough optional data to be able to prove that too.

Re: OpenSCHUFA – Reverse-engineering the algorithm of the German credit score agency

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SCHUFA is demanding a passport copy from EU citizens to obtain the annual unpaid data overview report. A citizen of an EU country residing in Germany is under no obligation to hold a passport. I don't understand how until now no one torn the SCHUFA credit bureau into pieces over it. https://i.imgur.com/nEZRJDv.png

> A citizen of an EU country residing in Germany is under no obligation to hold a passport.

Any EU citizen needs a passport or equivalent in Germany. One needs it already when entering Germany. Though you don't need to carry it all time with you. But you need to have one.

Re: OpenSCHUFA – Reverse-engineering the algorithm of the German credit score agency

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When applying for a loan, mobile phone contract, or even trying to rent an apartment in Germany, the Schufa score - Germany's credit rating - is decisive. If you have a few "points" too little, your application is refused. (Computer says "No" to your new smartphone or apartment.) However, the calculation of these credit scores - done by the private Schufa company - is fully intransparent. The formula is a trade secre…

„...even trying to rent an apartment in Germany...“ While this MAY be true in a lot of cases it certainly is not all the time. From my experience 50/50.

Not all the time probably, though in my experience, especially if it's not a flat share but a proper apartment, it's definitely closer to 100% (Berlin).

Re: OpenSCHUFA – Reverse-engineering the algorithm of the German credit score agency

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When applying for a loan, mobile phone contract, or even trying to rent an apartment in Germany, the Schufa score - Germany's credit rating - is decisive. If you have a few "points" too little, your application is refused. (Computer says "No" to your new smartphone or apartment.) However, the calculation of these credit scores - done by the private Schufa company - is fully intransparent. The formula is a trade secre…

„...even trying to rent an apartment in Germany...“ While this MAY be true in a lot of cases it certainly is not all the time. From my experience 50/50.

Really? Schufa was the first thing anyone asks when I was interested in a new apartment. My schufa score is abysmal, but luckily the score is not included in this document, only the negative entries.

Re: OpenSCHUFA – Reverse-engineering the algorithm of the German credit score agency

#29
post #26

SCHUFA is demanding a passport copy from EU citizens to obtain the annual unpaid data overview report. A citizen of an EU country residing in Germany is under no obligation to hold a passport. I don't understand how until now no one torn the SCHUFA credit bureau into pieces over it. https://i.imgur.com/nEZRJDv.png

> A citizen of an EU country residing in Germany is under no obligation to hold a passport. Any EU citizen needs a passport or equivalent in Germany. One needs it already when entering Germany. Though you don't need to carry it all time with you. But you need to have one.

A citizen of EU country has no obligation to hold a passport while in another EU country in case their country issues other document confirming both identity and nationality of a citizen e.g. a national ID.

Re: OpenSCHUFA – Reverse-engineering the algorithm of the German credit score agency

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post #26

SCHUFA is demanding a passport copy from EU citizens to obtain the annual unpaid data overview report. A citizen of an EU country residing in Germany is under no obligation to hold a passport. I don't understand how until now no one torn the SCHUFA credit bureau into pieces over it. https://i.imgur.com/nEZRJDv.png

> A citizen of an EU country residing in Germany is under no obligation to hold a passport. Any EU citizen needs a passport or equivalent in Germany. One needs it already when entering Germany. Though you don't need to carry it all time with you. But you need to have one.

No, by law you are required to have a proper ID issued by an EU country.

No passport required, but it might be useful, since many online services require a passport, for example activating a SIM card.

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