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There is no nanotech, stop talking about it and start laughing at it

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Re: There is no nanotech, stop talking about it and start laughing at it

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I really wish that the author would have, when complaining about "Drexler's Book", been clear about which one he was talking about. Also, "Mechanical objects on microscales do not exist" is gratuitously false, we even have really simple mechanical objects (like cantilevers) on the 100nm scale now.

"we even have really simple mechanical objects (like cantilevers) on the 100nm scale now."

Interesting. Do you have a link or paper name for that?

Re: There is no nanotech, stop talking about it and start laughing at it

#22

Why don't we have anything that can manipulate objects at the nano-scale? Couldn't we use atomic force microscopes to push some atoms together and at least make some interesting molecules (even if this process couldn't be scaled up)? Also what ever happened to Feynman's idea of building half size remote controlled arms, which we then use to build half sized of that remote controlled arms, all the way down to a very s…

That is one of the authors points -- no one has done self replication on a macro scale and nanotech just assumes self replication at the molecular level

This is really a straw man argument. If you go read Drexler's blog(e.g. this series: http://metamodern.com/2009/12/19/molecular-manufacturing-whe...), he is very explicit that the path forward is studying natural self-assembly from DNA and then tearing that apart, finding how it works, and modularizing/modifying it for our own purposes. None of this appears to be a "crazy idea" or something out of humanity's reach til long after we're all dead, as this author claims

Drexler's egotistical to be sure. It doesn't make him wrong

Re: There is no nanotech, stop talking about it and start laughing at it

#23

I really wish that the author would have, when complaining about "Drexler's Book", been clear about which one he was talking about. Also, "Mechanical objects on microscales do not exist" is gratuitously false, we even have really simple mechanical objects (like cantilevers) on the 100nm scale now.

"This is an honest summary of Drexler’s Ph.D. thesis/book"

Re: There is no nanotech, stop talking about it and start laughing at it

#24

For those that are skeptical about nano machinery, google 'ribosome' and be amazed. Nano machinery is real, it exists, it powers the world, it's called biology. The problem is that we seem to have a hard time translating our hard won knowledge of mechanical engineering to the nano scale, I expect some time will pass before the SF visions will become a reality but I think eventually we will get there. Figure another 5…

I've been accused of being too much of a stickler on this, but while the ribosome and other biological machinery are at the nanoscale, but they are NOT nanotechnology. If you use the Drexlerian definition, nanotech much be engineered, which ribosome is definitely not. We can certainly learn from natural systems, but that doesn't make them nanotech.

Also, nanosystems fundamentally are at a scale when quantum properties become important, and classical, mechanical rules start breaking down, which makes things really hard.

Having said that, there are some great examples of nanosystems around, from nanoparticles, to polymer drug delivery systems to materials for PET scans and eventually scalable manufacturing of quantum dots etc. The problem is, that breakthrough is always round the corner. Nano's going to be big, but (a) it is not one technology and (b) we need to be patient cause at those scales things are hard.

Re: There is no nanotech, stop talking about it and start laughing at it

#25

For those that are skeptical about nano machinery, google 'ribosome' and be amazed. Nano machinery is real, it exists, it powers the world, it's called biology. The problem is that we seem to have a hard time translating our hard won knowledge of mechanical engineering to the nano scale, I expect some time will pass before the SF visions will become a reality but I think eventually we will get there. Figure another 5…

Please link to the evidence of progress in the direction of 'genetic synthesis' meeting 'nano technology'

Re: There is no nanotech, stop talking about it and start laughing at it

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post #24

For those that are skeptical about nano machinery, google 'ribosome' and be amazed. Nano machinery is real, it exists, it powers the world, it's called biology. The problem is that we seem to have a hard time translating our hard won knowledge of mechanical engineering to the nano scale, I expect some time will pass before the SF visions will become a reality but I think eventually we will get there. Figure another 5…

I've been accused of being too much of a stickler on this, but while the ribosome and other biological machinery are at the nanoscale, but they are NOT nanotechnology. If you use the Drexlerian definition, nanotech much be engineered, which ribosome is definitely not. We can certainly learn from natural systems, but that doesn't make them nanotech. Also, nanosystems fundamentally are at a scale when quantum propertie…

The ribosome is nano machinery, not nano technology. Subtle difference there, I did not call it nano tech.

And if you re-engineered even a simpler version of a ribosome I'd definitely call that nano technology.

Re: There is no nanotech, stop talking about it and start laughing at it

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post #21

I really wish that the author would have, when complaining about "Drexler's Book", been clear about which one he was talking about. Also, "Mechanical objects on microscales do not exist" is gratuitously false, we even have really simple mechanical objects (like cantilevers) on the 100nm scale now.

"we even have really simple mechanical objects (like cantilevers) on the 100nm scale now." Interesting. Do you have a link or paper name for that?

Most of this stuff comes out of Sandia, I just googles for some quick MEMS pictures and found this link.

http://webdocs.cs.ualberta.ca/~database/MEMS/sma_mems/mems.h...

Re: There is no nanotech, stop talking about it and start laughing at it

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post #25

For those that are skeptical about nano machinery, google 'ribosome' and be amazed. Nano machinery is real, it exists, it powers the world, it's called biology. The problem is that we seem to have a hard time translating our hard won knowledge of mechanical engineering to the nano scale, I expect some time will pass before the SF visions will become a reality but I think eventually we will get there. Figure another 5…

Please link to the evidence of progress in the direction of 'genetic synthesis' meeting 'nano technology'

At your service:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v459/n7245/abs/nature08...

Re: There is no nanotech, stop talking about it and start laughing at it

#29
What about liquid glass coating? First step.

"coating one millionth of a millimetre thick – 500 times thinner than a human hair – can be applied to virtually any surface to protect it against water, dirt, bacteria, heat and UV radiation."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7125556/Liqu...

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