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Re: MIT IQ: The MIT Intelligence Quest

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Post by logfromblammo » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 4:33 PM UTC

lucozade wrote: post #10

justaman wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll take a stab at it. I think they are saying...Intellectuals are going to change the way they guide their research or formulate their hypothesis based on the this work at MIT. This person believes that this project signifies a paradigm shift in the fundamental origins of thought, hereafter nothing will be the same. I think this person is trying way to hard to sound smart or poetic.

Nah. enord's saying that they'll all sit down together and realise that they don't know very much about intelligence after all. So all the current excitement around super-intelligent AIs, and whatnot, will go the same way as it has the previous times we all got excited.

Some of the most intelligent people in the world will gather together, and learn that they still don't even know what "intelligent" means, much less how to actually build it.

Then they will discover that this has happened before--several times--and the reasons they had to think that it was all different this time were all based on exaggeration and wishful thinking, promoted by people trying to make a buck.

We can throw more hardware at the problem now, but even so, every advance seems to be accompanied by a reassessment and lengthening of the distance to the finish line.

Re: MIT IQ: The MIT Intelligence Quest

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Post by logfromblammo » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 4:35 PM UTC

goldenkey wrote: post #20

I respect what they are doing but I disagree with the methods. Intelligence could be one of those kind of things that is very hard to engineer directly. And we'd have more success if we inspected the underlying processes and then simulated those. I've posted this before but here is my proposal: https://scrollto.com/life-a-universe-simulation/ What I propose is a minimum viable digital environment that can support the…

Make sure you cull the programs that might end up escaping the sim and destroying all humans.

Re: MIT IQ: The MIT Intelligence Quest

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Post by kough » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 4:49 PM UTC

MIT is in the process of converting its brand's value into money. It's interesting, because the brand is so strong that they probably can announce even more stupid "quests" and "initiatives" and "labs" (like the IBM "collaboration") to extract value from industry without seriously harming the quality of the students who apply. But as a current student it's kind of heartbreaking. This place has been so special for so long. But even MIT cannot hold out against the corporate cancer that's been spreading through higher education for the last twenty years.

EDIT: just wanted to add, I'd love to ask the marketing team behind this site how they came up with quest. What the fuck is a quest, and how is it different than all of these researchers just doing whatever they wanted, anyway? MIT isn't funding these labs directly in most cases and the work has been ongoing, it's just a branding exercise.

Re: MIT IQ: The MIT Intelligence Quest

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Post by goldenkey » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 5:02 PM UTC

logfromblammo wrote: post #22

goldenkey wrote: post #20

I respect what they are doing but I disagree with the methods. Intelligence could be one of those kind of things that is very hard to engineer directly. And we'd have more success if we inspected the underlying processes and then simulated those. I've posted this before but here is my proposal: https://scrollto.com/life-a-universe-simulation/ What I propose is a minimum viable digital environment that can support the…

Make sure you cull the programs that might end up escaping the sim and destroying all humans.

If they figure out how to escape I think I'll let them have it.

Re: MIT IQ: The MIT Intelligence Quest

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Post by zitterbewegung » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 5:10 PM UTC

kough wrote: post #23

MIT is in the process of converting its brand's value into money. It's interesting, because the brand is so strong that they probably can announce even more stupid "quests" and "initiatives" and "labs" (like the IBM "collaboration") to extract value from industry without seriously harming the quality of the students who apply. But as a current student it's kind of heartbreaking. This place has been so special for so…

Colleges are businesses that deal in information and knowledge for money.

Re: MIT IQ: The MIT Intelligence Quest

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Post by kough » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 5:12 PM UTC

zitterbewegung wrote: post #25

kough wrote: post #23

MIT is in the process of converting its brand's value into money. It's interesting, because the brand is so strong that they probably can announce even more stupid "quests" and "initiatives" and "labs" (like the IBM "collaboration") to extract value from industry without seriously harming the quality of the students who apply. But as a current student it's kind of heartbreaking. This place has been so special for so…

Colleges are businesses that deal in information and knowledge for money.

Yes, and?

Re: MIT IQ: The MIT Intelligence Quest

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Post by sgt101 » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 5:15 PM UTC

enord wrote: post #3

This is the high water mark, the summer solstice if you will, of the current wave. Buckle up, Serious People are going to rediscover the fundamental Hard Problems and relocate the current Hot Topics into their appropriate ontologies.

These are the serious people, look at josh's Google scholar and read the intuitive reasoning work.

Re: MIT IQ: The MIT Intelligence Quest

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Post by d0100 » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 5:20 PM UTC

For some reason I read it as "the MIT intelligence test", and was confused.

Re: MIT IQ: The MIT Intelligence Quest

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Post by sgt101 » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 5:24 PM UTC

kough wrote: post #23

MIT is in the process of converting its brand's value into money. It's interesting, because the brand is so strong that they probably can announce even more stupid "quests" and "initiatives" and "labs" (like the IBM "collaboration") to extract value from industry without seriously harming the quality of the students who apply. But as a current student it's kind of heartbreaking. This place has been so special for so…

I think q, iq..

someone has to grab the steering wheel, and it can be mit and other responsible adults, or it could be a bunch of hair brained insert rude word folks of the sort that hijacked neurosciences (hbp anyone) or, God protect us the European semantic web community. They are in the offices of the great and good as we speak, extracting your tax dollars.

Re: MIT IQ: The MIT Intelligence Quest

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Post by drharby » Thu, Feb 01, 2018, 5:25 PM UTC

kough wrote: post #23

MIT is in the process of converting its brand's value into money. It's interesting, because the brand is so strong that they probably can announce even more stupid "quests" and "initiatives" and "labs" (like the IBM "collaboration") to extract value from industry without seriously harming the quality of the students who apply. But as a current student it's kind of heartbreaking. This place has been so special for so…

What makes MIT so special?

They do what they do exceptionally well but arent THAT different.

Its all branding - and I say that having taught there for 3 years.

Love wandering those halls.