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Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by uzzgae » Sat, Jan 20, 2018, 4:31 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #19

grecy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The USA falls right between Ecuador and Chile. Among OECD countries, only 3 countries are worse than the USA [1] The USA really does rank among developing countries in a lot of different measures. [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/oecd-homicide-rates-chart-201...

Some cities in the US rate just as high as the deadlier Latin America countries (Chicago, South Bend, IN, Indianapolis, Philadelphia) http://bismarcktribune.com/news/national/the-cities-with-the...

I wonder if some cities in the deadlier Latin America countries rate higher than the deadlier Latin American average.

Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by uzzgae » Sat, Jan 20, 2018, 4:32 PM UTC

quantumleap22 wrote: post #3

For comparison, overall and by-race data for the US: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6631a9.htm

I wonder what the homicide rates would look like if you removed/ignored the statistics from african americans.

Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by baxtr » Sat, Jan 20, 2018, 4:32 PM UTC

From the article:

- Venezuela leads unsurprisingly with 89 per 100,000

- Chile has the lowest number, 3.3 per 100,000

Compare that to

- Germany: 0.3

- US: 4.9

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...

Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by adventured » Sat, Jan 20, 2018, 4:33 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #19

grecy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The USA falls right between Ecuador and Chile. Among OECD countries, only 3 countries are worse than the USA [1] The USA really does rank among developing countries in a lot of different measures. [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/oecd-homicide-rates-chart-201...

Some cities in the US rate just as high as the deadlier Latin America countries (Chicago, South Bend, IN, Indianapolis, Philadelphia) http://bismarcktribune.com/news/national/the-cities-with-the...

Comparing cities to countries doesn't make sense.

Amsterdam has a murder rate commonly as high as the whole of the US. That isn't a rational comparison and isn't indicative of the murder rate of the Netherlands.

Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 20, 2018, 4:33 PM UTC

uzzgae wrote: post #21

toomuchtodo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some cities in the US rate just as high as the deadlier Latin America countries (Chicago, South Bend, IN, Indianapolis, Philadelphia) http://bismarcktribune.com/news/national/the-cities-with-the...

I wonder if some cities in the deadlier Latin America countries rate higher than the deadlier Latin American average.

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Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 20, 2018, 4:35 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #24

toomuchtodo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some cities in the US rate just as high as the deadlier Latin America countries (Chicago, South Bend, IN, Indianapolis, Philadelphia) http://bismarcktribune.com/news/national/the-cities-with-the...

Comparing cities to countries doesn't make sense. Amsterdam has a murder rate commonly as high as the whole of the US. That isn't a rational comparison and isn't indicative of the murder rate of the Netherlands.

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Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by jernfrost » Sat, Jan 20, 2018, 4:39 PM UTC

waytogo wrote: post #2

Anyone knows the rates in the US or European countries?

5 in the US, in my home country Norway it is 0.5 elsewhere in Europe it is around 1 I think.

Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by jernfrost » Sat, Jan 20, 2018, 4:42 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #20

DanAndersen wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was surprised by the apparently high per capita homicide rate in Nunavut, Canada, but apparently it's mostly due to just how low the population is there: https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/ppvx8g/a-closer-look-at-n...

You get into all sorts of radical variances when you dig into locational data eg across the US. The common US murder rate where ~95% of the population lives, is closer to Canada typically, at around 1.5 to 2.5. Then you have extreme murder rate areas in the worst parts of eg Baltimore and Chicago that blow the scale up (Baltimore hit 56 per 100k for 2017, with more murders than NYC). Several dozen neighborhoods in th…

It is like that in almost all countries though. Most countries have towns or cities with much higher than average rate. That is natural. Except e.g. the most violent city in Sweden has the same rate as the average in the US

Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by uzzgae » Sat, Jan 20, 2018, 4:50 PM UTC

_delirium wrote: post #7

adventured wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference between states is also fascinating: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_in_the_United_States_by... From New Hampshire at 1.1, Hawaii at 1.3, and Vermont at 1.6 to Mississippi at 8.7 and Louisiana at 10.

Some of that list is ordered how I'd expect, but I wouldn't have guessed that NY has significantly lower than US-average murder rates, and Alaska significantly higher. Interestingly both CA and TX are pretty much exactly at the US average, despite fairly different politics/policies.

Interesting that Ca and Tx data nearly mirrors this simple analysis of racial makeup vs racial statistics on homocide.

    per_capita_data = {'white': 3, 'asian': 1, 'black': 21, 'hispanic': 6}
    
    cali_cencus = {'white': 37.7, 'asian': 14.8, 'black': 6.5, 'hispanic': 37.7}
    texas_cencus = {'white': 42.4, 'asian': 4.8, 'black': 12.6, 'hispanic': 39.1}
    
    def calculate(per_capita, state_stats):
        rate = 0
        for race in per_capita:
            rate += per_capita[race] * (state_stats[race] / 100)
        return rate
    
    print calculate(per_capita_data, texas_cencus)
    print calculate(per_capita_data, cali_percentages)

Re: 2017 Homicide Rates in Latin America and the Carribean

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Post by pryelluw » Sat, Jan 20, 2018, 4:58 PM UTC

The Puerto Rico data does not tell the whole story. My island is 100×35 miles in size. It has a higher rate than Mexico.

But numbers don't tell the whole story. I remember waking up and laying on the floor of my bedroom because there was a drug gang shootout with automatic AK-47s in front of my home. Seeing the blood stains of victims on a neighbor's walls (someone was executed against a wall). The sound of weapons always being a part of the night.