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Wells Fargo double charged everyone on their bill pays today

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Re: Wells Fargo double charged everyone on their bill pays today

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I was once double charged on an auto-billed mortgage payment two weeks before Christmas causing all my other bills to bounce. This is why I no longer trust auto billing services from anyone and hate Wells Fargo.

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Re: Wells Fargo double charged everyone on their bill pays today

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I was just thinking of switching all my accounts from Chase to Wells Fargo because Chase isn't located in my new town. This is a good reminder as to why I should choose a different bank. Thanks for posting.

Use a local credit union. None of the big national banks have demonstrated that they can be trusted.

For anyone worried about leaving a "big" bank, often credit unions will offer mobile deposit and free (reimbursed) ATM withdrawls. I'm actually happier using a bank with no local branches because there's no more thinking about driving to the "right" ATM. (mine reimburses up to $15/mo which is more than enough for me; these days even the sketchy taqueria ATMs only charge $1.25 or so where it used to be $3+)

Re: Wells Fargo double charged everyone on their bill pays today

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This happened to my girlfriend's checking account last week. She was charged an overdraft fee because auto pay decided to charge two days earlier. Then all traces of the transaction magically disappeared from her transaction history. Luckily, she took some screenshots of it. We just shrugged it off but I'm going to investigate it now.

Did the overdraft fee also disappear?

Re: Wells Fargo double charged everyone on their bill pays today

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Don't close the credit card, but move everything else away, and put one bill on the card (or just use it twice a year for gum)?

I don't think you even need to do that? I had a wells fargo cc open for over a decade with only 1 charge in the previous 8 years. I closed it last year because, fuck wells fargo.

If there is no fee, keeping it open can help your credit score; a major factor for your credit is what percentage of your available credit you use, so having a credit card you don’t use simply adds to your total available credit.

Re: Wells Fargo double charged everyone on their bill pays today

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I was once double charged on an auto-billed mortgage payment two weeks before Christmas causing all my other bills to bounce. This is why I no longer trust auto billing services from anyone and hate Wells Fargo.

It might happen every now and then, but I still trust auto-pay to make fewer mistakes than me. I have accidentally missed bills way more often than auto pay has messed up.

Plus, when auto pay messes up, the bank will usually make it right and you don’t have to pay any fees. If you mess up, you will have to eat the fees (usually).

Re: Wells Fargo double charged everyone on their bill pays today

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Probably some job scheduling issue; maybe a job got stuck (dependencies or what have you) and the techie just thought to re-run the job(s) without checking the progress of the "stuck one". I could as well have ran for 99.999% and got stuck on the last account (ZZTop's:) and then it run again "successfully" and the techie went home happy for saving the day. And after all the complains start coming in IT thought just w…

Unfortunately I was part of one of these at a much smaller bank in the past. A job that "memo posted" checking accounts failed. When we restarted the job, we tagged the restart to the wrong step. We should have hit the restore step first, prior to the posting failure. Instead, we tagged the one right after, duplicating the posting for all accounts that had successfully passed on the first run. It was thousands of transactions that had to be backed out before they were hard posted. It was an awful feeling when we realized it, made more awful to know we caused people so much trouble that day. Anyway, I'm telling the story because it doesn't have to be because Wells Fargo is inherently bad. Their management has made some significant errors lately that could be considered criminal. But in this case, I'd side with it being program, job scheduling, or technical admin errors. I'm almost 100% positive the people responsible are just sick about it right now.

Re: Wells Fargo double charged everyone on their bill pays today

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use a local credit union. None of the big national banks have demonstrated that they can be trusted.

For anyone worried about leaving a "big" bank, often credit unions will offer mobile deposit and free (reimbursed) ATM withdrawls. I'm actually happier using a bank with no local branches because there's no more thinking about driving to the "right" ATM. (mine reimburses up to $15/mo which is more than enough for me; these days even the sketchy taqueria ATMs only charge $1.25 or so where it used to be $3+)

In my local area the credit unions have fees equal to or worse than the big banks. If you're in the same boat I highly recommend an internet-only bank. I've personally chosen Fidelity and it's been wonderful, but I'm sure others like Schwab, etc. are just as good. There's no minimum balance and reimbursed ATM fees just like some credit unions. There are upsides and down-sides to this approach vs a local credit union.

Upsides are traditional banks usually have insane fees for investment accounts, but with Fidelity (and probably Schwab) you can have it all under one roof. You generally get more options, too. For example, when I opened a 529 I could choose to "open it" in one of several states. My previous big chain bank only allowed me to open an account with the investment options in my state.

There are only two downsides I've seen so far. The first is that Fidelity does not offer personal Health Savings Accounts. This may not be a problem if you have one through your employer, or don't use one. The second is for rare instances when you might need large amounts of cash, larger than you could reasonably withdraw from an ATM. For example, purchasing a car from a private owner. Doing this might require some finagling. In my case, my employer has my 401k at a national chain bank, so I am confident I could cut a check there if I needed to, but it is a concern.

Re: Wells Fargo double charged everyone on their bill pays today

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you even need to do that? I had a wells fargo cc open for over a decade with only 1 charge in the previous 8 years. I closed it last year because, fuck wells fargo.

If there is no fee, keeping it open can help your credit score; a major factor for your credit is what percentage of your available credit you use, so having a credit card you don’t use simply adds to your total available credit.

Yes, I know of the reasons for keeping arbitrary credit accounts open, but the system is fucking stupid and I'd rather close accounts with banks/creditors that do stupid shit than give them an excuse for existing. Be the change you want to see, etc etc.

Re: Wells Fargo double charged everyone on their bill pays today

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I used to work in payments. This happens sometimes, it's a bug it's not something nefarious, and it's really disruptive. Many, many people will be put in a negative balance. Wells Fargo is probably one of those banks that don't order bill payments chronologically, but probably by amount, so things could get very very messy. There will be a lot of NSF charges that will need to be reversed, or Line of Credit charges fo…

I work in payments too. I don't know how this happens using an ACID DB. Everything is done within a transaction and extra checks are done to make sure that payments/debits happen ONCE and all once.
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