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Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

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Re: Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

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Post by paulcole »

blakesterz wrote: post #5
benaadams wrote: post #3

> as long as they pay those workers at least the minimum wage Do US employeers not have to pay workers the minimum wage?

Tipped employees make less: "According to a common labor law provision referred to as a “tip credit”, the employee must earn at least the state’s minimum wage when tips and wages are combined or the employer is required to increase the wage to fulfill that threshold." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage_in_the_United_Stat...

This is not true for every state. Oregon, among others, pays minimum wage to servers and other tipped employees.

Re: Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

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Post by bluejekyll »

r00fus wrote: post #8

So how, as a customer, could I actively tip my wait staff and not the establishment? Will this lead to the abolishment of tipping in general?

Always tip in cash. Does it mean employers can't still try and take the cash? No, but at least it's more difficult than if they pull it out of the credit card transaction.

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Post by philipkglass »

blakesterz wrote: post #4

"DOL has masked the fact that this rule would be a windfall to restaurant owners and other employers—out of the pockets of tipped workers—by making it sound as if this rule is about tip pooling." Sounds like this one must've been written by lobbyists? Assuming this article is accurate, why would this seem like a good rule to get rid of?

The politicians driving the change found that restaurant owners are better donors than waitstaff. Or they're ideologically committed to the freedom of the economically strong to wield their strength against the weak. Take your pick.

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Post by namelost »

lev99 wrote: post #10
dabbledash wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

God, I hope it does. Tipping is just a way for restaurant owners to exclude the cost of labor from their listed prices.

Counter point -- Tipping is a way to insure excellent service on return visits to service oriented establishments.

So tipping is just another word for what we might in other contexts describe as low-level corruption.

When I give a tip, it's a gift. I don't expect anything back from it.

Re: Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

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Post by stevenwoo »

blakesterz wrote: post #4

"DOL has masked the fact that this rule would be a windfall to restaurant owners and other employers—out of the pockets of tipped workers—by making it sound as if this rule is about tip pooling." Sounds like this one must've been written by lobbyists? Assuming this article is accurate, why would this seem like a good rule to get rid of?

You kind of answered it yourself, restaurant owners have lobbyists and can donate big to political candidates/movements. The Papa John's pizza founder was pretty notable in the last election cycle and the Domino's pizza founder was pretty big money guy behind the scenes last time I looked. Employees at restaurants won't have lobbyists unless they are unionized.

Re: Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

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Post by koolba »

blakesterz wrote: post #4

"DOL has masked the fact that this rule would be a windfall to restaurant owners and other employers—out of the pockets of tipped workers—by making it sound as if this rule is about tip pooling." Sounds like this one must've been written by lobbyists? Assuming this article is accurate, why would this seem like a good rule to get rid of?

Pure guess but probably to allow for proper taxing of tips. Cash tips are notoriously underreported. I’ve never met any who receives them who claims the full value as income. Most will claim some min to meet a “normal” amount for a work day and pocket the rest.

A law like this would shift that to be income received by the management which presumably they’d have to properly account for. Even if they give it all back immediately there would be a paper trail.

If that’s the case then I think this is stupid. I love the fact that I can tip someone in cash that’s predominantly off the books. Makes me feel like I’m giving them an extra X%.

Re: Women would lose $4.6B in earned tips if ‘tip stealing’ rule is finalized

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Post by School-Cotton »

Johnny555 wrote: post #18
daxorid wrote: post #16

And men would lose $1.2B. Why the gendered title? Why not "Waiters would lose $5.8B in earned tips"?

To highlight who the biggest losers are -- the subset of workers that already face wage discrimination would face 80% of the tip loss.

I would be shocked if female waiters in the US are paid less than male ones. Got a source?
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