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Re: Why things might have taken so long

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If nothing else, this article's example of inventing rope caused me to seek to learn how to make it, which I now know how to do.

"Learning how to make rope" != "Watching a 10 min YouTube video"

Sure, but were I to find myself stranded in the wilderness, my odds of successfully creating rope are many times higher than before I spent those few minutes. I think that's pretty amazing, especially from the perspective this article is trying to convey.

Re: Why things might have taken so long

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The poverty trap explanation here makes a lot of sense to me, although maybe it needs a bit of expansion.

In a subsistence farming environment it seems true that people did not have much time or resources to devote to making inventions. However, from what I've read of hunter-gatherer tribes still around today, the people living in them actually seem to have quite a bit of free time, yet obviously technological innovation has been quite rare.

So is it the case that innovation happens in a fairly specific set of circumstances, where resources and time are scarce enough to make innovation necessary, but still plentiful enough to allow for innovation?

Or maybe its just that the type of civilization agriculture creates leads to sufficient population densities for knowledge to start accumulating.

Re: Why things might have taken so long

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The poverty trap explanation here makes a lot of sense to me, although maybe it needs a bit of expansion. In a subsistence farming environment it seems true that people did not have much time or resources to devote to making inventions. However, from what I've read of hunter-gatherer tribes still around today, the people living in them actually seem to have quite a bit of free time, yet obviously technological innova…

> the people living in them actually seem to have quite a bit of free time, yet obviously technological innovation has been quite rare.

I have to wonder if it is the people that have quite a bit of free time there, or men only.

I can see men having not much to do once they hunted and brought their prey. But if women are left with the task of preparing food from such completely raw ingredients, and also have to do childcare, possibly some gathering in addition, they don't have much time in the day left.

Re: Why things might have taken so long

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About not having invented anything: it's harder to invent something novel today simply because so much has already been invented and knowledge of it is available. Centuries ago, it was easier to think of things to invent (we should be able to fly, to stay under water longer, to copy books faster, to notate music… ). It still took a lot of work to actually realize the invention (which only could be done by people weal…

Wish we could be happy, and not destroy the planet and the future crawling over each other in an ever increasing red queen race on the slippery side of a cliff of despair.

We have only allowed a very narrow band of 'solutions' to be explored: those that involve 'doing-making-selling-competing. We have had very minor controls on this process, and even the little we have on that side is constantly besieged or selectively weaponized as there is no barrier between 'the game' and 'the meta-game'. For example, any solution to a problem that involves abstinence, for instance for very real problems such as climate change or the obesity crisis, is impossible due to the way we have structured 'reward'.

And I don't know about battery tech or medicine, but most certainly in AI breakthroughs are very much the work of individuals and do not need massive teams or funding. It is again our 'market-economy', with inane 'IP wars' that seem to stifle these works from being brought to fruition

Re: Why things might have taken so long

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post #19

The post touches on the idea that the number of human beings that exist today far exceeds those in the past. Interesting thought. We are now like a cpu (collectively speaking) with 7 billion cores vs 50,000 years ago would only be about 10-100k in numbers.

But only a few million cores are doing worthwhile work.

Most of us aren’t contributing to the advancement of knowledge, for example. If we could up our utilization with more people doing R&D, for instance, we’d accumulate knowledge much faster.

Re: Why things might have taken so long

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Nothing much (in percentage terms) got invented until the industrial revolution. The question is why the industrial revolution took so long. If you are interested in this topic I highly recommend A Farewell to Alms [0] - warning controversial hypothesis, but it raises lots of interesting topics to think about. 0. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Farewell_to_Alms

I agree on the importance of the industrial revolution. An alternative explanation, that argues more from political institutions, can be found in Acemoglu and Robinsons "Why Nations Fail" [0]. They basically argue that for most of our history, individual innovators. In most countries most of the time, a small minority, which is in power, would either profit from the innovation instead or would actively suppress innovation to protect the status quo. Only when institutions were developed that included a lot of people in the decision making process, would we also develop protections for individual innovators, that would allow them to profit from their work in a meaningful way.

I generally find it hard to pin down to what degree culture motivates people to action and think that explanations should be preferred, that show how single individuals or groups might directly profit from certain actions.

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Nations_Fail

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