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Intel Confronts Potential ‘PR Nightmare’ With Reported Chip Flaw

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Re: Intel Confronts Potential ‘PR Nightmare’ With Reported Chip Flaw

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Interestingly enough, Intel and AMD market values are affected by this but the cloud provider aren't, which I find surprising.

Hm. Do cloud providers need to provide up to 30% more capacity for the same price, or do customers need to purchase up to 30% more capacity to get the same speed?

This bug doesn’t magically chop all CPU performance down by almost a third.

Re: Intel Confronts Potential ‘PR Nightmare’ With Reported Chip Flaw

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As a shareholder that's great. Concerned that this is a very fragile win though. I don't think there will be much real world fall out.

How you hold this stock is a mystery to me. With it bouncing between $10 and $15 constantly last year it just seems far to volatile. I'd be panic buying / selling every day to adjust which seems stressful... Maybe why its a favorite of /r/wallstreetbets

You're doing it wrong if you're day trading stocks... dollar cost averaging is your friend when it comes to volatility and well if you're investing you're doing so because of long term belief in the company so it should be easy to hold and not worry about it.

Re: Intel Confronts Potential ‘PR Nightmare’ With Reported Chip Flaw

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Interestingly enough, Intel and AMD market values are affected by this but the cloud provider aren't, which I find surprising.

Hm. Do cloud providers need to provide up to 30% more capacity for the same price, or do customers need to purchase up to 30% more capacity to get the same speed?

Unless demand is fully inelastic, if you up the price fewer people will buy. As such, this should hit the cloud provider profits.

Re: Intel Confronts Potential ‘PR Nightmare’ With Reported Chip Flaw

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As a shareholder that's great. Concerned that this is a very fragile win though. I don't think there will be much real world fall out.

How you hold this stock is a mystery to me. With it bouncing between $10 and $15 constantly last year it just seems far to volatile. I'd be panic buying / selling every day to adjust which seems stressful... Maybe why its a favorite of /r/wallstreetbets

>I'd be panic buying / selling every day to adjust which seems stressful...

If you can train yourself to do the opposite you could make a lot off this stock. Buy fear, sell greed. Never panic.

Losses are never realized if you don't sell, and just wait it out until it is back near 15 again.

Re: Intel Confronts Potential ‘PR Nightmare’ With Reported Chip Flaw

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If all Intel CPUs get 30% slower overnight, then there will be some fallout in the real world.

They might be 30% slower in virtualization and should be about 5-7% slower in real world usage. As a heavy user of the cloud I'm worried about my infra more than about my laptop: if my cloud setup gets even 7% slower overnight it won't be good to say the least, especially with lower-clock 2Ghz Skylake GCP CPUs. Those 5--7% will make me feel like I'm powered by Atom and it will be even worse for single-core bounded wo…

>They might be 30% slower in virtualization and should be about 5-7% slower in real world usage.

Virtualization IS real-world-usage. This is going to damage Intel where it will hurt the most, the datacenter (which is largely virtualized using VMware, or Hyper-V). The Xeon CPU's have some of the best profit margins for Intel. If they erode away to Epyc (which is finally becoming available) this could be pretty good for AMD's, espically since AMD has said the the past few years there strategy is to go after the datacenter market.

Re: Intel Confronts Potential ‘PR Nightmare’ With Reported Chip Flaw

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This piece is (IMNSHO) trash. It's trying to stare into some crystal ball guessing at the cause of market fluctuations; but there's no real evidence they're right.

Not to mention it's pretty misleading about technical stuff, saying e.g. "Chip design errors are exceedingly rare. More than 20 years ago, a college professor discovered a problem with how early versions of Intel’s Pentium chip calculated numbers."

So, they imply that chip design errors are once in a few decades kind of things; that's just complete nonsense. Chip design errors are common most just aren't this bad.

Furthermore, they imply this stock change is anything more than temporary volatility; given the tiny, tiny changes so far that's just premature. Perhaps the stocks will adjust more in the future - we'll see. But as of now, this piece is financially and technically pretty misleading.

Re: Intel Confronts Potential ‘PR Nightmare’ With Reported Chip Flaw

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Didn’t the Intel CEO just sell half of his shares/options? If he knew about these issues isn’t that illegal?

Yes, it would be, but in practice it's hard to nail people on this. He can argue that he'd already scheduled the sell when he learned about this and it will be difficult to prove otherwise.

Re: Intel Confronts Potential ‘PR Nightmare’ With Reported Chip Flaw

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Didn’t the Intel CEO just sell half of his shares/options? If he knew about these issues isn’t that illegal?

Seems debatable. From what I recall, at least some news about this issue was already public before he sold his shares. And what would be illegal would be trading based on information that isn't public. OTOH, since details are still dribbling out, you could possibly argue that the Intel CEO had more complete information than the public.

The sell could also have been scheduled in advance, which would - AFAIK - not violate any insider trading regulations.

Re: Intel Confronts Potential ‘PR Nightmare’ With Reported Chip Flaw

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hm. Do cloud providers need to provide up to 30% more capacity for the same price, or do customers need to purchase up to 30% more capacity to get the same speed?

This bug doesn’t magically chop all CPU performance down by almost a third.

What does it do, then? That is approximately what the mitigation patch does, according to early averages of perf changes.
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