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Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by Fej » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 1:54 PM UTC

kumarvvr wrote: post #14

There is so much negativity about Tesla. Watching Tesla reminds of the the quote "We hoped for flying cars, but what we got was 140 characters" (or something similar, I don't remember it verbatim) Every time I think about Tesla, I am reminded of the thousands of brilliant engineers toiling away in Silicon Valley trying to optimize online advertising. Maybe we could be a bit more closer to Fusion energy, maybe we coul…

The negativity is because Tesla has some truly abhorrent business practices. For me, it's out of love, not hate. Of course, there's a lot of people who stand to gain from Tesla failing.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by LeifCarrotson » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 1:55 PM UTC

Matt3o12_ wrote: post #8

GrumpyNl wrote: post #2

Nice news, but when will they deliver? Maybe its time they start to answer that question first.

They are getting started. Mass producing a vehicle is not an easy task and takes a lot of expierence, equipment. Every manufacturer starts slowly but we don’t notice it as drastically because there is usually less demand. If Model A is not available, most customers choose Model B or Model A-like from company B. Or chances are they have not even heard of that Model and just don’t look for it. For Tesla it is different…

> For the Model 3, the only true competitors are the i3 and Chevy Bolt. ... My guess is that the 2018 Nissan Leaf will be the best choice this year...

The Nissan Leaf isn't new in 2018, it's been around since 2011 and is (I think) still the most popular pure electric car. I'm aware that the 2018 should have some significant improvements, but I'm confused why you don't count either the current models or the 2018 as a competitor to the Model 3?

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by graphitezepp » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 1:58 PM UTC

kumarvvr wrote: post #14

There is so much negativity about Tesla. Watching Tesla reminds of the the quote "We hoped for flying cars, but what we got was 140 characters" (or something similar, I don't remember it verbatim) Every time I think about Tesla, I am reminded of the thousands of brilliant engineers toiling away in Silicon Valley trying to optimize online advertising. Maybe we could be a bit more closer to Fusion energy, maybe we coul…

Musk DOES have a lot of support. I personally suspect much of the negativity comes from backlash caused by him having a legion of fanboys. Whenever someone gets idolized like I have often seen Musk as, haters come out in reaction.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by kozak » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 1:58 PM UTC

It's interesting what would be the equivalent result for Chevrolet Bolt, as it's pretty much an equivalent car, but without the advantage of Tesla's supercharger network.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:00 PM UTC

Fej wrote: post #21

kumarvvr wrote: post #14

There is so much negativity about Tesla. Watching Tesla reminds of the the quote "We hoped for flying cars, but what we got was 140 characters" (or something similar, I don't remember it verbatim) Every time I think about Tesla, I am reminded of the thousands of brilliant engineers toiling away in Silicon Valley trying to optimize online advertising. Maybe we could be a bit more closer to Fusion energy, maybe we coul…

The negativity is because Tesla has some truly abhorrent business practices. For me, it's out of love, not hate. Of course, there's a lot of people who stand to gain from Tesla failing.

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Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by Certhas » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:01 PM UTC

Matt3o12_ wrote: post #8

GrumpyNl wrote: post #2

Nice news, but when will they deliver? Maybe its time they start to answer that question first.

They are getting started. Mass producing a vehicle is not an easy task and takes a lot of expierence, equipment. Every manufacturer starts slowly but we don’t notice it as drastically because there is usually less demand. If Model A is not available, most customers choose Model B or Model A-like from company B. Or chances are they have not even heard of that Model and just don’t look for it. For Tesla it is different…

So your argument is that there its unfair to compare the Chevy Bolt to the Tesla 3 because the latter is prettier?

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by chronic193 » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:01 PM UTC

hnarn wrote: post #20

kumarvvr wrote: post #14

There is so much negativity about Tesla. Watching Tesla reminds of the the quote "We hoped for flying cars, but what we got was 140 characters" (or something similar, I don't remember it verbatim) Every time I think about Tesla, I am reminded of the thousands of brilliant engineers toiling away in Silicon Valley trying to optimize online advertising. Maybe we could be a bit more closer to Fusion energy, maybe we coul…

It's always been my sincere opinion that even if Musk fails miserably I'll still admire him more than most other "tech idols". There are people that say he's all talk, but I don't care. Even if he's 75% talk and delivers on the rest, whatever he does achieve is still better than a face-detecting smartphone or a social network that makes money by profiling your personality for advertisers. I don't care about the money…

> I don't care about the money

You must not be an investor.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by kumarvvr » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:01 PM UTC

hnarn wrote: post #20

kumarvvr wrote: post #14

There is so much negativity about Tesla. Watching Tesla reminds of the the quote "We hoped for flying cars, but what we got was 140 characters" (or something similar, I don't remember it verbatim) Every time I think about Tesla, I am reminded of the thousands of brilliant engineers toiling away in Silicon Valley trying to optimize online advertising. Maybe we could be a bit more closer to Fusion energy, maybe we coul…

It's always been my sincere opinion that even if Musk fails miserably I'll still admire him more than most other "tech idols". There are people that say he's all talk, but I don't care. Even if he's 75% talk and delivers on the rest, whatever he does achieve is still better than a face-detecting smartphone or a social network that makes money by profiling your personality for advertisers. I don't care about the money…

> There are people that say he's all talk

I really wish there is stronger support for him against these sorts of people. How can he be all talk when we see his rockets going up and coming back down.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by skgoa » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:05 PM UTC

Kayou wrote: post #17

Matt3o12_ wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are getting started. Mass producing a vehicle is not an easy task and takes a lot of expierence, equipment. Every manufacturer starts slowly but we don’t notice it as drastically because there is usually less demand. If Model A is not available, most customers choose Model B or Model A-like from company B. Or chances are they have not even heard of that Model and just don’t look for it. For Tesla it is different…

>For the Model 3, the only true competitors are the i3 and Chevy Bolt More like the Chevy Bolt / Opel Ampera e, the i3 has very limited range while the Chevy/Opel offers between 300 and 500km of range thanks to its much bigger 60kWh battery. The BMW i3 only has a 33kWh battery in the newer version, previous one was even less than that... The Leaf 2018 goes in the right direction, but 40kWh is still no enough to do 3h…

The Tesla 3s that are currently getting delivered to customers are up to $20k more expensive than the Bolt. That people see the two cars as more or less equivalent is a massive success for GM.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by andrepd » Wed, Jan 03, 2018, 2:09 PM UTC

kumarvvr wrote: post #28

hnarn wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always been my sincere opinion that even if Musk fails miserably I'll still admire him more than most other "tech idols". There are people that say he's all talk, but I don't care. Even if he's 75% talk and delivers on the rest, whatever he does achieve is still better than a face-detecting smartphone or a social network that makes money by profiling your personality for advertisers. I don't care about the money…

> There are people that say he's all talk I really wish there is stronger support for him against these sorts of people. How can he be all talk when we see his rockets going up and coming back down.

Well first of all they're not his rockets. The engineers and scientists did it, he supplies the money, arguably a meritless in ck prison.

Second, there are many promises he still hasn't delivered on: SpaceX targets not met, Tesla still running at a massive loss, Hyperloop being doomed to failure, etc etc. I can definitely see why people say he is mostly talk, even though admittedly he has achieved some successes.