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My short history of Engine Yard and my Resignation

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Re: My short history of Engine Yard and my Resignation

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Post by rossedwards »

betageek wrote: post #13
rossedwards wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ive heard the complete opposite is true. That rails while improved is still a pain to deal with. THe benefit of tails is that theres more and more people using it so theres some expertise out there.

mod_rails/Passenger changed the game on deployment of Rails - Rails deployment is no harder than PHP if you use Passenger/Apache. Most of the 'Rails is hard to deploy' opinions are just relics from the bad old days. high volume/high availability setups can be complicated, but that's the same all over...

I dont actively follow the rails communitee so maybe what i heard was a while back. I know rails and ruby in general are becoming probably the most actively developed communitee in relation to other languages frameworks. So as you say many of the issues are being resolved very quickly and effeciently.

Im not the biggest fan of rails, i kind of like padrino actually, however i do like ruby and have found some very cool people within the communitee.

Re: My short history of Engine Yard and my Resignation

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Post by rossedwards »

keeran wrote: post #12
jasonkester wrote: post #4

Well written. I had never heard of the author or his company, yet unlike so many of the articles that come through here, it had enough context baked in that you could follow it without a Google search. I found it surprising that Rails needs this level of hand-holding to keep it running though. Rails devs, is this really the experience you have deploying your applications?

Rails doesn't need any hand-holding any more. Apache+Passenger take care of most cases, Nginx+unicorn/mongrel take care of the rest. Big, heavy traffic apps require special attention, but then that's the same for all big/heavy apps.

The only issue so far ive seen is that there arent any rails/ruby sites that have complex interfaces. Twitter is barebones. ONce theres a site that has heavy traffic and a more complicated interface its possible the perspetion of the technology will change.

Re: My short history of Engine Yard and my Resignation

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Post by maukdaddy »

wyclif wrote: post #6

That is the new way to build companies, College degrees don’t matter much IMHO anymore, for developers anyway. It’s more how you interact with the open source community and what you release yourself. Your github account has become your new resume and what you say on Twitter and in various IRC channels are more likely to get you the best jobs then any recruiters ever will. I'm interested in education, hiring, and matt…

That's a terribly short sighted thing to say (by the poster). I know HN users don't seem to value education, but a college degree has a lot of value outside of the education component. Living with others, compromising, group work, social life, classes outside your area of focus, etc. I'd rather hire someone who has been through this than a hacker who has only spent time in the echo chamber of forums and fellow geeks.

As of July 2010, unemployment rate for college grad was 5.0% while for HS grad was 9.9%.

Re: My short history of Engine Yard and my Resignation

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Post by mrdodge »

maukdaddy wrote: post #24
wyclif wrote: post #6

That is the new way to build companies, College degrees don’t matter much IMHO anymore, for developers anyway. It’s more how you interact with the open source community and what you release yourself. Your github account has become your new resume and what you say on Twitter and in various IRC channels are more likely to get you the best jobs then any recruiters ever will. I'm interested in education, hiring, and matt…

That's a terribly short sighted thing to say (by the poster). I know HN users don't seem to value education, but a college degree has a lot of value outside of the education component. Living with others, compromising, group work, social life, classes outside your area of focus, etc. I'd rather hire someone who has been through this than a hacker who has only spent time in the echo chamber of forums and fellow geeks.…

Of what relevance are those numbers to a deft software developer? What's is the unemployment rate for skilled software developers?

Re: My short history of Engine Yard and my Resignation

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Post by someone_here »

mrdodge wrote: post #25
maukdaddy wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a terribly short sighted thing to say (by the poster). I know HN users don't seem to value education, but a college degree has a lot of value outside of the education component. Living with others, compromising, group work, social life, classes outside your area of focus, etc. I'd rather hire someone who has been through this than a hacker who has only spent time in the echo chamber of forums and fellow geeks.…

Of what relevance are those numbers to a deft software developer? What's is the unemployment rate for skilled software developers?

How do you define what a skilled software developer is?

Re: My short history of Engine Yard and my Resignation

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Post by cullenking »

rossedwards wrote: post #22
keeran wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rails doesn't need any hand-holding any more. Apache+Passenger take care of most cases, Nginx+unicorn/mongrel take care of the rest. Big, heavy traffic apps require special attention, but then that's the same for all big/heavy apps.

The only issue so far ive seen is that there arent any rails/ruby sites that have complex interfaces. Twitter is barebones. ONce theres a site that has heavy traffic and a more complicated interface its possible the perspetion of the technology will change.

justin.tv, check their traffic/interface lately? scribd.com, though maybe that doesn't qualify on interface. shopify.com, basecamp.com

Re: My short history of Engine Yard and my Resignation

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Post by zackham »

rossedwards wrote: post #22
keeran wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rails doesn't need any hand-holding any more. Apache+Passenger take care of most cases, Nginx+unicorn/mongrel take care of the rest. Big, heavy traffic apps require special attention, but then that's the same for all big/heavy apps.

The only issue so far ive seen is that there arent any rails/ruby sites that have complex interfaces. Twitter is barebones. ONce theres a site that has heavy traffic and a more complicated interface its possible the perspetion of the technology will change.

Check out ravelry.com and read http://highscalability.com/blog/2009/9/22/how-ravelry-scales...

Re: My short history of Engine Yard and my Resignation

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Post by jackowayed »

scotje wrote: post #29
subbu wrote: post #15

You created Merb in the first place. Didn't you? Its missing from the story!

Are you thinking of Yehuda Katz who works at EngineYard? http://yehudakatz.com/

No, he's not. Ezra first wrote Merb. Yehuda has been the lead developer for a long time.
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