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Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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Re: Russian submarine activity increases around Atlantic internet cables: report

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Non-oceanic internet distribution might mitigate concerns raised in the article. [1] [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/space...

I don't think wireless technology will ever be able to compete with fiber for bandwidth. You can cram incredible amounts of data through glass. It's on the order of Petabits/second for a single strand.

They mention inter-satellite optical links, but an operational space-to-ground optical system might be tolerable.

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Does anyone know if the data flowing across cables like these is typically encrypted? Does the infrastructure itself provide any defense against a submarine hacking into a cable and installing a device that can monitor traffic? I would hope that the infrastructure could add its own encryption across the link to defend against unauthorized interception.

Typically not.

Wait, really? That’s shocking to me - I would have assumed the entire link was encrypted E2E. Are there technical limitations that make this infeasible?

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Non-oceanic internet distribution might mitigate concerns raised in the article. [1] [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/space...

Satellites are a poor choice for this particular problem (i.e. when you think an adversary may cripple your communication capabilities), because they can be disrupted, especially if your adversary is one of the premier states in spaceflight and weaponry.

A more resilient choice is troposcatter [1], which has evolved since the 50s [2][3]. A nice property of troposcatter is that it's difficult to intercept and difficult to disrupt between the origin and the destination.

Of course, such a system still lacks the bandwidth for day-to-day commercial usage, by orders of magnitude.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropospheric_scatter [2] http://www.comtechsystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Tro... [3] http://www.mwrf.com/systems/troposcatter-system-maintains-50...

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Non-oceanic internet distribution might mitigate concerns raised in the article. [1] [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/space...

Satellites are a poor choice for this particular problem (i.e. when you think an adversary may cripple your communication capabilities), because they can be disrupted, especially if your adversary is one of the premier states in spaceflight and weaponry. A more resilient choice is troposcatter [1], which has evolved since the 50s [2][3]. A nice property of troposcatter is that it's difficult to intercept and difficul…

I wonder how well 4QAM or something similar does in those situations. 2Ghz is a pretty fast rate, 8gbs + FEC is probably still not that large of a link though.

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Given that it's 2017 and a huge fraction of the traffic is HTTPS anyway, is there any practical benefit to this?

Sure. These days the point isn't to eavesdrop, but to insinuate that you could credibly disrupt communications.

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Given that it's 2017 and a huge fraction of the traffic is HTTPS anyway, is there any practical benefit to this?

This is quite interesting: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12193353

and not too long ago a big portion of Internet were rerouted to Russia (BGP). One must wonder what they are up to.

Perhaps the Russian is mapping the world’s Internet, particularly on identifying critical infrastructure which without them would paralyze the world.

My theory is based on North Korea. Imagine NK owns its own cable (I believe they just have its own country interent, but still rely on the global cables) or is successful to hijack while severing communication of the rest of the world, NK can strike its adversaries without worries. Apply this to Russian. We are so dependent on the Interent (think dns and ntp), we are doomed if we can’t communicate (let alone getting emergency alert).

Btw, I can’t help but have to leave a note about the last part of your username... :)

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Given that it's 2017 and a huge fraction of the traffic is HTTPS anyway, is there any practical benefit to this?

It could also be encrypted at the cable endpoints, denying a snooper even the stuff that's normally unencrypted.

Might be worth the cost, too, since then there's no reason for people to cut your cables.

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