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F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Edit: You know what, fuck it. I don't think I can say anything here that hasn't been said a thousand times already.

Most people don't fit into either party's value system. I hardly think boiling it down to R vs D is going to help anyone, we need to inform our populous.

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#23

If you voted for Trump, this one's on you.

He did run on "drain the swamp" which meant getting rid of people that do things like this. The problem is that people believed him.

"Drain the swamp" means different things to different people.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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post #7

American will no longer be a place of innovation. Another country will have to lead the world now

Right, it'll go back to being what it was before 2015 when net neutrality was instituted. The dread is unrelatable.

Correct, a place where innovative companies like Netflix were blocked and throttled by ISPs due to conflicts with their legacy business models.

I don't know how anyone could honestly say that taking away an important consumer protection is going to help innovation, outside of innovative new billing practices by ISPs.

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post #7

American will no longer be a place of innovation. Another country will have to lead the world now

Right, it'll go back to being what it was before 2015 when net neutrality was instituted. The dread is unrelatable.

right, obviously it doesn't matter that they went through and voted for something nobody really liked. how ignorant can you be?

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post #7

American will no longer be a place of innovation. Another country will have to lead the world now

Right, it'll go back to being what it was before 2015 when net neutrality was instituted. The dread is unrelatable.

NY AG Schneiderman had a good response to this in the earlier AMA (which I've pasted below).

"As a preliminary matter, it’s important to recognize that net neutrality principles and protections in different forms have actually been around since 2005 and even earlier. So the flourishing of the internet and everything relying on it during that time occurred under the protections. A few years ago, however, the courts struck down one form of net neutrality protections (those that had relied on Title I of the Communications Act), so then in 2015 the FCC put net neutrality protections back in place under Title II instead (they also expanded the earlier protections, e.g., to include protections against abuses related to interconnection, which had not been the subject of net neutrality protections before 2015). Now, in 2017, the FCC under Chairman Ajit Pai is proposing to repeal net neutrality protections altogether (and the courts’ earlier decisions effectively foreclose a return to net neutrality protections under Title I). So that would be entirely new territory for the internet.

Why do we think that’s bad? Well, as I explained in my own public comment in the current proceeding (https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/10717583023587/FINAL%20RIF%20Co...), we’ve seen how companies behave in the absence of net neutrality protections, specifically in the area of interconnection before it was regulated in 2015, and their unregulated conduct harmed consumers. In essence, they made a deliberate business decision to let the quality of internet access degrade, knowing that it hurt consumers, to try to squeeze revenue out of edge providers like Netflix and backbone providers like Cogent and Level 3. Plus, we know that many consumers have few ISPs to choose from, so competition isn’t as effective a check as in other markets. So I believe strong net neutrality regulations are needed to avoid harms to consumers."

The AMA: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15853374

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This has been asked a few times but never fully answered, can someone explain why this vote in particular is a problem? I understand net neutrality and I am all for it, but there was considerable public doubt before reclassification that this was the proper way to go about it. It also doesn't seem like the internet regulatory state of pre-2015 was a disaster. Would we better off focusing our efforts on increasing competition among ISPs? The major problem in all the pre-2015 net neutrality issues was that people often did not have any other ISP to use if their current ISP introduced a policy that was anti-consumer.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Would anything stop the next administration from reinstating net neutrality?

No, nor will the next congress (likely Democratic or leaning that way) be prevented from passing laws that reinstate it at the legislative level.

Same thing with Obama Care and any other wide reaching law. If this happens enough just the lack of stability will make people and companies leave.
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