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Ask HN: Why did Twitter succeed?

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Re: Ask HN: Why did Twitter succeed?

#21
post #8

Early adoption was due to it being an extension to the IM Away messages. After that, especially after users started to use @x as a form of addressing, it basically became IRC 2.0, without the problems of installing IRC clients, having netsplits, being kicked, etc, etc. -- MV

And most especially of having to keep connected all the time. Twitter is somewhat similar to web based IRC "in the cloud" but it also fills an important niche that IRC doesn't. IRC is an N to N broadcast medium with a finite number of channels. Twitter is an N to M broadcast medium with an effectively limitless number of channels.

Re: Ask HN: Why did Twitter succeed?

#22
From: http://ycombinator.com/rfs3.html

Twitter is important because it’s a new protocol. Fundamentally it’s a messaging protocol where you don’t specify the recipients. It’s really more of a discovery than an invention; that square was always there in the periodic table of protocols, but no one had quite hit it squarely.

We could try to draw a small excerpt of this 'periodic table':

              LONG    SHORT
  ONE:ONE     email   im/sms
  ONE:PUBLIC  blogs   twitter
Of course, the axes aren't exact. You can write arbitrarily short emails and blogposts, and lengthy IMs. Twitter is usually 'public' but only viewed by some set of friends/acquaintances/fans, and interactions range from chatty conversations to long lagged correspondences. Each box bleeds into the others with crossover communications.

But you get the idea; the signature modes of each big success are variations on a theme, nailing a new permutation. And it shouldn't be surprising that blogging pioneers happened upon the adjacent twitter opportunity at the right time.

You could build similar tables where an axis-of-contrast is EPHEMERAL/ARCHIVED, or BUSINESS/PLEASURE, or TEXT/AUDIOVISUAL, or REALTIME/TIME-LAGGED, or SIMPLE/POWERFUL, and see some of the same things appear in the quadrants, or other familiar services, or gaping holes -- where there may be Twitter-sized opportunity waiting.

Re: Ask HN: Why did Twitter succeed?

#23
post #5
post #2

You must be new to the online world. Twitter is not new. It just brought what existed before to the Internet itself easily: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cb_simulator The CompuServe marketers hated that service. They saw no reason for CompuServe to have it or to promote it. Meanwhile, back then, the online world was based on per-hour connect time charges and there were people who had bills of over a thousand dollars a…

I had a CompuServe account but never spent much time on CB. I have been on chats, from Renegade BBS's on to IRC on to IM, for 20+ years. Twitter is not simply chat; it admits to persistant and semantically meaningful applications layered on top of it. It's like a weird cross between NNTP and IRC, as I see it.

Yes, but the core aspect is the same, no matter the incarnation or revision: People like chatting with other people. The marketers couldn't quite understand that.

Re: Ask HN: Why did Twitter succeed?

#24
I always thought it was a little bit because the founders had quite a bit of pull in the hacker/startup community. What if Joe Blow had started a better Twitter a week earlier? How would he have advertised it and got penetration?

I'm not detracting from their success in building a valuable site, but I bet a lot depended on their connections in getting it adopted.

Re: Ask HN: Why did Twitter succeed?

#25
post #7

Solved a real problem: sending text messages to a group. Later, it allowed people to get semi-personal access to people they admire.

Although this is true, I think it is missing the point. What was the problem text messages was trying to solve? A quick, semi-personal connection between two people across a distance. This can further be boiled down as humans interest in connection and conversation. It turns out that Twitter, due to the social network (both existing and being one sided) solves this problem better then text messaging. So really it evo…

Although this is true, I think it is missing the point. What was the problem text messages was trying to solve?

Responding to a phone call on a train during rush hour. Saying "I'm almost there", or "Ill be 5 minutes late" without getting dragged into a conversation in a crowded public space.

Re: Ask HN: Why did Twitter succeed?

#26
One thing that no one has mentioned yet.

The API.

Twitter embedded their product and users in hundreds (thousands?) of other applications. Without this coverage I doubt it would have been so successful.

Edit: I do recognise that there is a chicken / egg situation here. But I still stick with point.

Re: Ask HN: Why did Twitter succeed?

#27
Because I can @famousPerson and sometimes they will RT me or @meBack.

More philosophically, it is a low-commitment communication protocol. Everything is expected to be a quick, throwaway 140 char response. So celebrities are willing to read your tweets and tweet you back, but they might not be willing to email you or take your phone call.

Re: Ask HN: Why did Twitter succeed?

#28
I started to tweet in 2006 when it was being pitched almost entirely as a "way to text lots of people" service. I thought that was a stupid idea but saw a lot of value in leaving lots of small messages over time to a) share what I'm doing in a "quicker than blogging" way, b) to use as a sort of diary later on in life, keeping track of where my days were going, and c) to publicly share tidbits of info too minor to blog about (like my travel arrangements, etc).

It turned out to be a lot more than that, but that's the promise I saw in it back then. People who like to rant on about never seeing the point of Twitter aren't "wrong" IMHO but they're clearly not ardent public communicators and don't see the value in being such.

Re: Ask HN: Why did Twitter succeed?

#30

Can I ask another question: Is twitter profitable yet? Has it a roadmap to profitability?

Twitter has 170 employees. Assuming fully loaded cost of 150 k that is approximate $ 30 mill pee annum

The google and bing deals are worth 50mill leaving 20mill to cover other costs like iron and bandwidth. My sense is clearly profitable. A

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