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Afghan girls win European prize for solar-powered farming robot

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Re: Afghan girls win European prize for solar-powered farming robot

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So what's the actual news here? That they were denied entry in the US? Should we feel bad about it or what? There's 0 insight into what they achieved and the reporter even got the name of the European country wrong. Looks like propaganda to me. Edit: yes, it's propaganda: "Please credit the Thomson Reuters Foundation, the charitable arm of Thomson Reuters, that covers humanitarian news, women’s rights, trafficking, p…

Is Forbes part of the propaganda conspiracy? https://www.forbes.com/sites/kionasmith/2017/11/29/afghanist... There are multiple angles on this story and your border is the least relevant part of it. Move on.

It's as though nobody remembers the Syrian ambulance boy who seemed to hit every single Western publication at once. Or the fawning PR pieces for the "White Helmets."

The insinuation that Forbes is not part of the propaganda conspiracy is absurd. This is exactly what it looks like when an NGO is peddling a narrative.

Re: Afghan girls win European prize for solar-powered farming robot

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I couldn't find any details in Reuters article, so I read the comments. Someone gave a link to Forbes, but there were no actual details about the robot either. Fortunately at least the name of the competition was given. So I went to https://robotex.ee/en/, spent some time there and found nothing. Even the "Results" link is misleading. Does anyone have any idea what these girls actually built? Even a smallest detail regarding hardware or software used in the project?

Re: Afghan girls win European prize for solar-powered farming robot

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You are saying this from a privileged position. That's why it's ordinary to you. The win here is that they achieved this while being very underprivileged.

But the point is that they were given their prize precisely because they were underprivileged. That's why it's not that impressive.

First: you don't know that. There's nothing in the article to suggest that they "won because they were unprivileged" rather than on the merits of the device they created.

Second: you don't know what the criteria for giving the price out is. What if the idea of the prize is to encourage kids to get into tech? Who would benefit more, some kid who went to a Palo Alto school and whose parents work at Google and Apple, or some kid from a developing nation with not nearly as many resources?

It's very cavalier - and very disturbing - to assume all you are assuming just because they are Afghan. Have you ever wondered if you'd had the same concerns if they came from -say - Brazil?

Re: Afghan girls win European prize for solar-powered farming robot

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to encourage their achievement, but it's not clear what they achieved. > The team’s winning entry was a solar-powered robot that would help small farmers carry out tasks including seeding and cutting crops like wheat Apart from the general idea, what was created? Here's a more detailed article from the NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/world/afghanistan-girls-r... > The team, which had only two we…

Thank you for doing this research. This looks fabricated, the same way Abdul's clock was. In response to the guy down here (I can't post anymore): the fact that they "won a prize", as shown in the title of this post, is highly misleading, when it was just a consolation prize. THe takeaway of these news is "look at everything the US is missing for not opening their borders", and this being a consolation prize, the US…

I don't think it's a fabrication.

The girls won a prize for overcoming adversity, and they arguably built a better robot than teams that didn't have much adversity to overcome. That's not nothing.

But at the same time articles like this one leave me with a feeling of pandering and head-patting.

We all like to see groups of underdogs do impressive things.

If the article were about what an outlier their robot is because it's so good, or what an outlier the team is because they pulled off a feat of engineering against all odds, then I'd be cheering along with everyone else.

But mainly the article is: "these girls faced far more adversity than most anyone else, but still managed to perform adequately."

That's something for them to be proud of personally, and for Afghanistan to be proud of nationally.

At the same time, if the competition were adjudicated in a double-blind way, would they have still beat out other teams?

There's nothing wrong in discussing whether that's a relevant question.

On another note, I'm surprised I got downvoted when adding background information to the discussion.

Re: Afghan girls win European prize for solar-powered farming robot

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are saying this from a privileged position. That's why it's ordinary to you. The win here is that they achieved this while being very underprivileged.

But the point is that they were given their prize precisely because they were underprivileged. That's why it's not that impressive.

"The win here is that they achieved this while being very underprivileged."

Do we know that?

I have some experience in this area, I don't live in a "privileged" country, and I find there is at least some truth to the adage "Aid, is poor people in rich countries, giving to rich people in poor countries".

Good for them they've achieved this, whether they were privileged, assisted (because they were underprivileged?), untouchables from broken families, or whatever, or not, but let's not jump to conclusions about the actual backstory.

Re: Afghan girls win European prize for solar-powered farming robot

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Holy hell, what are these comments. A group of girls form a pretty messed up country had the willing and the guts to go ahead and submit anything to this competition, knowing full well they would be at a disadvantage compared to other first world countries, and coming from a very male orientated culture. Their parts where late and they only had two weeks to build it. Meanwhile a single accurate quote about how they w…

Well, it is a highly political topic.

And I found no article yet, with technical details, about what they technically actual accomplished. The Reuters article is especially lacking any information, except stating that they succeded technically, but faced problems at the US border before and the latter they repeated many times, not just one quote.

So it looks a bit missleading and I would not call it journalism, if there is a agenda with it. And this seems to be the case here - directed against Trump and his Afghan ban etc.policy.

I mean sure, personally I despise that as well and I am highly against restricting people from going somewhere else, just because of their origin. And the girls are definitely courageous(their captains dad was killed by a suicide bombing this year) and maybe even did an outstanding job given their bad starting conditions ... but I saw nothing convincing so far, like the article implys, that they build even remotely something like this:

"The team’s winning entry was a solar-powered robot that would help small farmers carry out tasks including seeding and cutting crops like wheat "

I read something about designing flyers, etc. for this product, which sounds more plausible - as designing an actual robot, even only with lego, who does remotely, what the quote says, is huge work and not doable with access to good education. Which they don't have. So yes, I think they deserve praise for doing something while coming from where they are, but if news imply to me they did more, than they did(and possibly could do), for political reasons, even with good intentions, you could call it propaganda. And I think this is not helping.

As then also people like me, who have lot's of sympathy for disadvantaged people at tech - and beeing a girl from Afghanistan is probably as disadvantaged as you can get, get the impression, that they mainly won their price because of being who they are and not what they did. And this is a shame, because maybe they are even technically very gifted and did outstanding. But now I mistrust the whole thing ... and possibly also the next thing I hear from high tech girls from Afghanistan ...

(edits: updadet a bit)

Re: Afghan girls win European prize for solar-powered farming robot

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Holy hell, what are these comments. A group of girls form a pretty messed up country had the willing and the guts to go ahead and submit anything to this competition, knowing full well they would be at a disadvantage compared to other first world countries, and coming from a very male orientated culture. Their parts where late and they only had two weeks to build it. Meanwhile a single accurate quote about how they w…

No need for the "think of the children"-like narrative. People just want to know more information, nowadays there's so much false and twisted info/news on the internet that's it's no surprise people are skeptical, especially if the article doesn't give much info, who are those girls, what exactly did they build etc. I'm sure if it's a real deal they will get their deserved prizing.

Re: Afghan girls win European prize for solar-powered farming robot

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Holy hell, what are these comments. A group of girls form a pretty messed up country had the willing and the guts to go ahead and submit anything to this competition, knowing full well they would be at a disadvantage compared to other first world countries, and coming from a very male orientated culture. Their parts where late and they only had two weeks to build it. Meanwhile a single accurate quote about how they w…

Not to mention they are likely risking their lives in doing this. (Americans should know by now Taliban's stance on girls and education. US has been in that country since October 2001 FFS IIRC.)

That seems like a big assumption. There is a very rich upper class in Afghanistan that lives a nearly-Western lifestyle.

If a student is female (1), in a robotics class (2), attending a school that had a robotics class (3), and planning a trip abroad to compete (4); the chances that their lives were at risk is zero. These girls are most likely going to an international school in the safest part of the country. It is expected that they will go to university abroad and after this experience, I'm sure a good number of doors opened up for them.

Re: Afghan girls win European prize for solar-powered farming robot

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So what's the actual news here? That they were denied entry in the US? Should we feel bad about it or what? There's 0 insight into what they achieved and the reporter even got the name of the European country wrong. Looks like propaganda to me. Edit: yes, it's propaganda: "Please credit the Thomson Reuters Foundation, the charitable arm of Thomson Reuters, that covers humanitarian news, women’s rights, trafficking, p…

You are saying this from a privileged position. That's why it's ordinary to you. The win here is that they achieved this while being very underprivileged.

The point is we don't know that, because there's not that much info in the article. It's not known what is background of those girls and what did they actually build.
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