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The beginning of the end for copper wire

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Re: The beginning of the end for copper wire

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not destroying the infrastructure, it’s abandoning it. The article states that prior to this ruling they’re required to maintain or replace with comparable functionality for existing copper customers. This ruling let’s them abandon them altogether from what I gathered.

Ok, but there are still paying customers on the end of that infrastructure. Are they not profitable enough?

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Re: The beginning of the end for copper wire

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post #3

The article brings up DSL, but I thought DSL was a short haul technology (you have to be pretty close to a branch office or something)? Would it really affect rural customers anyway? I'm also curious if the newer faster fiber technologies are sort of "subsidizing" the carrier's copper business.

DSL with nice speeds requires a short run, but something like 768k can work reasonably far (5+ km)

Re: The beginning of the end for copper wire

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not destroying the infrastructure, it’s abandoning it. The article states that prior to this ruling they’re required to maintain or replace with comparable functionality for existing copper customers. This ruling let’s them abandon them altogether from what I gathered.

Ok, but there are still paying customers on the end of that infrastructure. Are they not profitable enough?

Since they have local monopolies they can trust they will regain the user but on infrastructure that is cheaper to maintain.

Re: The beginning of the end for copper wire

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not destroying the infrastructure, it’s abandoning it. The article states that prior to this ruling they’re required to maintain or replace with comparable functionality for existing copper customers. This ruling let’s them abandon them altogether from what I gathered.

Ok, but there are still paying customers on the end of that infrastructure. Are they not profitable enough?

My understanding is rural access is often unprofitable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Service_Fund

Re: The beginning of the end for copper wire

#25
Highly relevant quote:

At one time, 80% of AT&T's capital value was the copper in the local loops. AT&T was then, in effect, the world's largest copper mine. Fortunately, this fact was not widely known in the investment community. Had it been known, some corporate raider might have bought AT&T, terminated all telephone service in the United States, ripped out all the wire, and sole the wire to a copper refiner to get a quick payback.

-- Andrew S. Tanenbaum, Computer Networks

Re: The beginning of the end for copper wire

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the U.S. rural telecoms access has always existed because of government mandates supported in part by government subsidies and taxes. It would definitely be more profitable to drop support for large parts (land mass, not population) of the U.S. entirely.

So the maintenance costs are driving this?

The article says it all. They want to eliminate their rural workforce. When you have a massive area, sparsely populated, you have to over staff because it takes so long for a technician to drive from one job to another.

Re: The beginning of the end for copper wire

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While the Australian right wing govt scrapped all the fibre to the home work that was underway and decided that copper from the node to the house was a great upgrade. The internet in Australia is so bad I had significantly better in New Zealand a decade ago.

Re: The beginning of the end for copper wire

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post #2

This really hits home for me. I'm using a DSL modem and still have landline phone that is far more reliable for me than my cell phone.

How does unreliability show itself with a cell phone? My data isn't always flowing perfectly, but can't remember problems with calls since 2000 or so.

Re: The beginning of the end for copper wire

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“I don’t envision AT&T and Verizon tearing down huge amounts of copper in towns immediately.“ That’s not the point. When failures occur, they stop fixing the wires and send you a letter telling YOU what your new mode of service is, or nothing. There is no tearing down. The unsupported wire is left to rot or be salvaged at their convenience.
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