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Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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Question: If I want Android without google services, what options do I have? So far I know only cheap chinese phones and F-Droid app store.

The Fairphone 1 was shipped without Google services; don't know about the Fairphone 2.

It's shipped with Google services, but the updater lets you change to without Google services without hassle.

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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> "Although the data sent to Google is encrypted, it could potentially be sent to a third party if the phone had been compromised with spyware or other methods of hacking. Each phone has a unique ID number, with which the location data can be associated."

If the phone is compromised, it doesn't matter what google has access to, the tracking kit can just enable it's own tracking and spoof the system status (depending on the level of the compromise)

If you have a concern about your phone tracking you, don't bring your phone with you.

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If you care about personal privacy and security of your friends and family, you should discourage them from using Android.

Of course, this is meaningless without context.

Privacy from who? Security from what? What's the perceived threat we're trying to protect against?

Everything is a tradeoff. To absolutely protect your privacy, you must never be seen in public or interact with any other party in any way.

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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Why is this a problem? What is the harm of them collecting cell tower information? Is it possible to provide the same quality of service(s) without the cell tower information?

bob_theslob646, we have identified you as being the only person around while a murder was committed. We need you to come into the station.

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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Certain options should be hardware disable-able and this is one of them.

While I don't disagree with you on any level, why would a hardware manufacturer ever do that? Their customer is the companies selling us phones, and most of those companies want the ability to collect data on their users to use internally or sell for profit. Shareholder profit > all, remember? /s

This is an important distinction and deserves repeating:

The employees a of company (from executive level, down) work for the Board of Directors, who are a proxy for the shareholders. The employees do not work for the customer. If there is conflict between what a customer wants and what the Board wants, the Board wins.

Re: Google collects cell tower info even if location services are disabled

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Certain options should be hardware disable-able and this is one of them.

While I don't disagree with you on any level, why would a hardware manufacturer ever do that? Their customer is the companies selling us phones, and most of those companies want the ability to collect data on their users to use internally or sell for profit. Shareholder profit > all, remember? /s

It's not even about shareholders - a manufacturer that tried this would cease to exist. Why would an OEM pay for features they don't need or want?
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