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Yubico announces tiny, cheap YubiHSM 2

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Re: Yubico announces tiny, cheap YubiHSM 2

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Think there's a chance we could get a Type C key someday that's as small as that (well, literally smaller, but I'm thinking something not much larger than the shell that will stick out of my machine about as much as that Type A one does.

Like the 4C nano? https://www.yubico.com/product/yubikey-4-series/#yubikey-4c-...

Re: Yubico announces tiny, cheap YubiHSM 2

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How useful are such measures when Intel has backdoored each and everyone of their CPUs with its "Intel Management Engine" [0] (and AMD has a similar mechanism)?

If Intel/AMD have a backdoor into every PC and server, then so does the US gov't (NSA, CIA, FBI, etc.) and of course other uninvited hackers from even hostile countries.

And how did Western society just accept all of this anti-democratic craziness?

[0] https://libreboot.org/faq.html#intel

Re: Yubico announces tiny, cheap YubiHSM 2

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a security product for enterprise data centers, this is cheap.

I'm talking about absolute price, not relative to competitors. What's so complicated about this device to justify the cost?

It may be priced in value, rather than cost.

Re: Yubico announces tiny, cheap YubiHSM 2

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More generally why is this not $3. Can we get a Kickstarter for this please?

It is not $3 because it provides more than $3 of value to the small audience that has a need for a HSM.

If you--not "we"--want a Kickstarter for something like this, you should go try it. It's much, much more difficult than you think, even without FIPS compliance.

Re: Yubico announces tiny, cheap YubiHSM 2

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post #16
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a security product for enterprise data centers, this is cheap.

I'm talking about absolute price, not relative to competitors. What's so complicated about this device to justify the cost?

Why should yubi price it any cheaper? It will never compete on cost with storing your private keys insecurely.

Re: Yubico announces tiny, cheap YubiHSM 2

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post #22

How useful are such measures when Intel has backdoored each and everyone of their CPUs with its "Intel Management Engine" [0] (and AMD has a similar mechanism)? If Intel/AMD have a backdoor into every PC and server, then so does the US gov't (NSA, CIA, FBI, etc.) and of course other uninvited hackers from even hostile countries. And how did Western society just accept all of this anti-democratic craziness? [0] https:…

HSMs are not protections against the gocernment. Simple as that

Re: Yubico announces tiny, cheap YubiHSM 2

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What's the advantage of this over the ~$100 open source NitroKey HSM? https://www.nitrokey.com/files/doc/Nitrokey_HSM_English.pdf

From a quick check, I'd say the big differences (Yubikey HSM 2 over Nitrokey HSM) are: 4096-bit RSA, curve25519, higher capacity, and smaller form factor. EDIT: On further thought, the small form factor would be good for physical verification. I could get a good, high-quality server, plug this into the front USB port, and then use some sort of transparent epoxy to seal it in. Having it on the front of the server woul…

How is 4k RSA a plus?

Re: Yubico announces tiny, cheap YubiHSM 2

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No mention of the actual hardware (processor) they've used. I guess the bill of materials would be funny (although of course I realize that the value is in their expertise and software etc).

The performance specs [1] say "HMAC-SHA-(1|256): ~4ms avg" which I guess is for 256 bits [2], compared to [3] which list a 6th gen Skylake 3.1 GHz doing it at 535 MB/s.

[1]: https://www.yubico.com/products/yubihsm/

[2]: But I have no idea, perhaps this is a stupid interpretation, in which case I'll turn around and blame them for being unclear.

[3]: https://www.cryptopp.com/benchmarks.html

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