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Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

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Yeah, I would have chosen a better way to imply that.

Hmm. Do you mean it sounds like we'll get hacked any day now? Do you have a suggestion for better wording?

Just say "So Secure that no one read it even if they wanted to"

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Good timing with Google incorrectly flagging some Docs as abusive? ( https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/zmz3yw/why-is-my-... )

When you were running an operation at Google scale, the challenge of fighting fraud is something that people who have not worked at that scale can only imagine. These guys will also encounter fraud at some point. And when they do so, I guarantee they will be no better at it than Google this.

You state that the problem of fraud is particularly challenging "at Google scale". There is a fairly easy solution: Don't do things at Google scale. Many of these nearly unsolvable social problems we've created, such as YouTube content moderation, are manageable, or simply don't occur, outside Google scale.

Which begs the question: Is doing things at Google scale really something to aspire to? Has even Google solved the problem of doing things at Google scale if they have problems they cannot solve adequately at Google scale?

Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

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Hi HN! I made this. It has bulk import from Google Docs ;) thanks to a feature request from HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15478479

Just curious (and no negative implications whatsoever): is "we made it so that only one person at a time can type in a paragraph. No longer can that annoying classmate delete what you just typed" code for "operational transforms are hard to implement, especially without a source of truth?"

Yes and no :) I did indeed not implement OT, but it's also a true story that I would create a Google Doc and share it, nobody knows what to write, I type a sentence, and my classmates delete it as a joke, to mess with me :)

But yeah, feedback on the collaboration is welcome. Do you think editing one sentence with multiple people is necessary, and if so why? And on the other end of the spectrum, Word-style edit requests (which need to be approved before they are applied) are also sometimes necessary.

Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

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Hmm. Do you mean it sounds like we'll get hacked any day now? Do you have a suggestion for better wording?

Thankfully, I don’t think this is a super strong selling position. Google has an incredible reputation for keeping its users safe and their information private. What you don’t know is whether google in fact stores your documents in an encrypted format at rest. If they do, then what exactly are you offering?

Google can and does read your documents (in an automated fashion). That's how they can flag documents for abuse/TOS violation, as they are currently having issues with today. The whole argument here is that Airborn OS can't read your documents, presumably at all.

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To solve this, [...use Service Workers] to install some code which can't be changed without setting off a warning to you. How does that work? Isn't a service worker started by plain JS code?

Yes, it is, but after that, it stays installed and runs before you open the web app the next time. In effect, this makes it trust-on-first use, just like if you'd install a desktop app which then had some secure update mechanism.

Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

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Yeah, I would have chosen a better way to imply that.

Hmm. Do you mean it sounds like we'll get hacked any day now? Do you have a suggestion for better wording?

Yeah, exactly. I agree with the "so secure" suggestion by the other commenter. You can tweak it to your liking but you don't want to give the impression you're anything less than complete with your approach to security.

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Hi HN! I made this. It has bulk import from Google Docs ;) thanks to a feature request from HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15478479

Request: I'd like to post an item based on the website description showing the image of encrypted contents and hashed filenames.

I cannot extract that image (useful collateral) from your page on Android given page presentation.

Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

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Yeah, I would have chosen a better way to imply that.

Hmm. Do you mean it sounds like we'll get hacked any day now? Do you have a suggestion for better wording?

You should speak to me, as a customer, about my benefit in using your product.

Currently you're telling me what won't happen in a very unfortunate event. I think this is wrong in 2 ways.

1. You're telling me a message "the other way around". Even if you just say "Keep your documents secure" is better than "Nobody will access your documents".

2. You're comparing w/ Google docs so, following the logic of your message, what's the probability that Google will get hacked? Tiny, right? So... you're not telling me anything useful.

You can check lastpass or 1password as examples. They implement more or less the same thing, but as you can see they don't talk about how it works, but about the benefit for me, as a customer.

Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

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Why does it have OS in the name? Is it an operating system? (This is a question I cannot find a direct answer to on their site)

Their site makes it incredibly difficult to actually find out what this really is.

The only text visible on my screen when the page loads are the lines "Airborn OS", "Even if we get hacked, they can't read your documents" and "Collaborate in real time" which tells me essentially nothing about why I'm here, what this website is, or what you're trying to sell/advertise.

The only indication as to what this software actually does is in this Hacker News title.

For contrast, Google Doc's homepage[1], the first two things I see are "Create [persuasive/adjective] documents" followed by "With Google Docs, you can write, edit, and collaborate wherever you are. For free." This tells me basically everything I need to know, as a casual user, to understand what Google Docs is and why I might want to use it.

I hope this doesn't come across as overly critical, just some (hopefully helpful) feedback.

[1] https://www.google.com/docs/about/

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