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Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by michaelchisari »

KGIII wrote: post #6

It's really, really not easy to stand up for the rights of Nazis. If you're a Nazi, you can use voat.co as they are very free speech oriented. You don't have to be a Nazi to participate, but it's a good idea to have a thick skin if you do go there. I go there and talk to the White Nationalists. They are pretty much Nazis. They know I'm not white and that I don't agree with them. They don't scare me. They are scared a…

there's a better way to deal with the mentally ill and disenfranchised

Enabling them is not a good way to deal with them. Allowing easily discoverable safe spaces with which to reinforce their neuroses and paranoia only adds to the problem as new users can more easily be recruited, preyed upon, etc.

This goes for much more than just violent white supremacists, it also applies to things like pro-ana, which creates an extremely dangerous feedback loop for vulnerable, damaged people.

Private sites not only have no obligation to provide the resources for these extreme codependent communities, but as we're learning, they actually hold a moral obligation to remove them when they form in order to prevent their growth.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by KGIII »

sp332 wrote: post #9
KGIII wrote: post #6

It's really, really not easy to stand up for the rights of Nazis. If you're a Nazi, you can use voat.co as they are very free speech oriented. You don't have to be a Nazi to participate, but it's a good idea to have a thick skin if you do go there. I go there and talk to the White Nationalists. They are pretty much Nazis. They know I'm not white and that I don't agree with them. They don't scare me. They are scared a…

They didn't ban all Nazis. They banned subreddits that posted content (not comments) advocating violence. That included one or two "nazi" subreddits. The article says this in the first paragraph. That said, thanks for trying to find positive ways to deal with things.

The effect is largely the same, now isn't it? In fact, they recently published a study showing the efficacy of their sub closures from a couple of years ago. People leave, effectively silenced.

They can do that. It is their right. It's okay.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by lobf »

blfr wrote: post #13

Why has free speech fallen out of favour with SV? Ironically, it happened rather silently. It's not just an Eternal September-like phenomenon. The very same people who used to support it not only don't any more but pretend they never did in the first place. Speaking of the founding fathers, I ask him what he thinks they would have thought of Reddit. "A bastion of free speech on the World Wide Web? I bet they would li…

There's no shade of gray here? Either you host nazi propaganda, or you're "anti-free speech?"

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by pavlov »

tripplethrendo wrote: post #7
tripplethrendo wrote: post #4

Antifa subreddits will be removed?

So they banned Far_Right but https://www.reddit.com/r/farleft/ is ok? What a cool place Reddit is! /s

These are the rules posted on /r/farleft:

- No harassment or degrading of any leftist tendency or individual comrades. Debate and disagreements are fine, as long as they remain respectful.

- Sexism, racism, ableism, homophobia, xenophobia, and all other forms of reactionary bigotry have no place here.

- Liberals and other non-leftists are allowed if they are willing to learn about the far-left and should be welcomed.

- Keep the edge to a minimum.

- Shit-posts are allowed, just not shit-shit-posts. Having a different opinion is not a reason to downvote.

- Don't be a jerk.

Doesn't seem like a violent place. Why do you think it merits a ban? Just because of the name?

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by arkona »

pknopf wrote: post #5
oh_sigh wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they're still there, and no, everyone who disagrees with you isn't a Nazi. > we will take action against any content that encourages, glorifies, incites, or calls for violence or physical harm against an individual or a group of people This also means that people who encourage you to "punch a Nazi" or that there's nothing wrong with punching a Nazi/racist should also be banned.

That place promotes violence and hate on a daily basis.

Care to give some evidence for your claims?

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by _euac »

oh_sigh wrote: post #3
hberg wrote: post #2

There goes /r/The_Donald/

No, they're still there, and no, everyone who disagrees with you isn't a Nazi. > we will take action against any content that encourages, glorifies, incites, or calls for violence or physical harm against an individual or a group of people This also means that people who encourage you to "punch a Nazi" or that there's nothing wrong with punching a Nazi/racist should also be banned.

r/the_donald is not just about "disagreeing" it's literally the worst kind of ecochamber of conspiracy theories, veiled (and sometimes not-so-veiled) racism and constant calls to action against "the left". They are such an ecochamber that 90% of the time they speak on memes that nobody else understands (or cares to understand.)

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by keepper »

Amazing ( well, more like sad ) that the first comments I see are "well, we can agree that nazis are bad, but this is a slippery slope, what about BLM, and antifa"

Nazism - The belief ( on pseudoscience i may add )that other races ( a term that has no scientific basis ) are only worthy of extermination ( death, MDK )

BLM - The belief ( on experiences of some in society ), that Black people are not treated the same in their interactions with the government. Main vehicle, in your face protests.

Antifa - an aggressive anti-hate group ( whose tactics, in the view of some, seem to make them a violent group ). The anti-nazis if you will.

Really? Do these things seem REMOTELY equal?

cue in the nitpicking about my definitions...

PS: to be perfectly clear/blunt, since it seems as I suspected people started nitpicking... One group calls for the extermination of HUMAN BEINGS.. the other calls for the extermination of IDEOLOGY... now see the difference?

free speech DOES NOT and HAS NEVER given you the right to call for the extermination of others... that is as clear cut case of "not protected by free speech" as there is.

and yes.. if you take on the name of "nazi" or "national socialism", well, you don't get to redefine those terms in a "wink wink" manner.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by pknopf »

tripplethrendo wrote: post #7
tripplethrendo wrote: post #4

Antifa subreddits will be removed?

So they banned Far_Right but https://www.reddit.com/r/farleft/ is ok? What a cool place Reddit is! /s

If you dig into the comments on each of the subs, you will see it isn't just left vs right.

One has doxing/harrasment/violence, the other doesn't.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Post by liberte82 »

blfr wrote: post #13

Why has free speech fallen out of favour with SV? Ironically, it happened rather silently. It's not just an Eternal September-like phenomenon. The very same people who used to support it not only don't any more but pretend they never did in the first place. Speaking of the founding fathers, I ask him what he thinks they would have thought of Reddit. "A bastion of free speech on the World Wide Web? I bet they would li…

The answer is easy - because people came face to face with the downsides of free speech, and also how it has been gamed to promote the very worst of humanity, culminating in the election of the most dangerously, maliciously unqualified person to ever lead America.

New evidence can lead to reevaluating opinions.

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