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5G Radiation Dangers (2016)

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Re: 5G Radiation Dangers (2016)

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Post by baobrien »

valuearb wrote: post #3

No discussion of sample sizes or P values? I convinced, I will refuse to stand within inches of a 5G base station for 10 minutes on, 10 minutes off, for 10 hours a day.

Here's the preprint 'Report of Partial Findings' paper: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/06/23/055...

As a non-biologist, the amount of power being exposed to the rats here seems pretty high - 0, 1.5, 3, and 6 watts absorbed per Kg of body mass. Also, if I'm reading this right, survival was very slightly lower in the control groups than any of the RF exposed groups.

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Post by pmontra »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #19
hutzlibu wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"some frequency ranges are beneficial while others are not" Certainly. Heat is nice (if not too much), but x-ray is usually bad. Gamma-rays a lot worse. And cellphone radiation is probably somewhere in between ... so like the article cites: we don't know yet. So I do not like sleeping next to my mobile nor have it next to lower body parts for too long ...

Heat is not a frequency or a frequency range.

It's quite complicated. Interesting read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat

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Post by davidmurdoch »

My grandfather, one of the engineers that worked with the Voyager I and II teams, died of throat cancer. From the late 90s up until his death in 2007 he was warning people about the potential harmful effects of cell phone radiation. He would only use corded phones.

His throat cancer was thought to be caused, at least in part, by his increased exposure to radiation from the instruments he worked on while working for the US government. Most of his work was classified and he took almost everything about his work to his grave. My mother told me he'd disappear for weeks at a time and he'd never talk about where he went or what he did.

If anyone knows more about the specifics of what my grandfather, William Henry Fairing, Jr., was working on, that'd be so amazing to learn about!

Re: 5G Radiation Dangers (2016)

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Post by Alex3917 »

sschueller wrote: post #4

I would be more worried about issues similar to the diesel gate scandal where manufacturers start forging radiation tests results. How much testing does the government do and how much is the industry self testing?

> I would be more worried about issues similar to the diesel gate scandal where manufacturers start forging radiation tests results.

They already do. Part of the reason why government-funded tests are more likely to show that cell phones cause cancer is that there have been industry-funded tests that have placed the phones several inches away from the subject's body and put them in shielded cases.

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Post by lgats »

sschueller wrote: post #4

I would be more worried about issues similar to the diesel gate scandal where manufacturers start forging radiation tests results. How much testing does the government do and how much is the industry self testing?

Hi,

I'm no expert on the exact regulations, but I run fccid.io and have a pretty good idea of the process manufacturers go through.

Although forgery of results would be possible, almost all testing is done by independent labs. It would be possible for the manufacturer to submit a "compliant" sample but then program the rest of the units to radiate differently.

What I see most commonly are devices being sold without any FCC testing. All wireless devices sold in the USA should have certification but many new startups may not know the regulation around the industry (i.e. a kickstarter smart bike lock project might not take FCC certification into account and end up selling a few thousand devices before going belly up). Testing is often thousands of dollars so for a little-known startup they may just try to ride on the fact that their Aliexpress supplied Bluetooth chip "is FCC certified" (it's not).

It's not always startups that are skirting the testing though, Bayer's Aleve Direct Therapy TENS bosts some invalid FCC IDs on the user manual. https://www.aleve.com/aleve-direct-therapy/how-it-works/

From what I've seen, there is little to no actual enforcement that goes on within this licensing space (but there is also a pretty high rate of compliance).

The FCC has an outline from 2008 where they explain more of the compliance audit process: https://transition.fcc.gov/oet/ea/presentations/files/oct08/...

Re: 5G Radiation Dangers (2016)

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Post by rb808 »

davidmurdoch wrote: post #23

My grandfather, one of the engineers that worked with the Voyager I and II teams, died of throat cancer. From the late 90s up until his death in 2007 he was warning people about the potential harmful effects of cell phone radiation. He would only use corded phones. His throat cancer was thought to be caused, at least in part, by his increased exposure to radiation from the instruments he worked on while working for t…

> My mother told me he'd disappear for weeks at a time and he'd never talk about where he went or what he did.

How good is this? Maybe I should try to get away with this in my regular job.

Re: 5G Radiation Dangers (2016)

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Post by SigmundA »

hutzlibu wrote: post #16
manmal wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting thought. Near infrared light does interact with cells (photobiomodulation), usually in a beneficial way. Maybe the wave form is another factor, or some frequency ranges are beneficial while others are not?

"some frequency ranges are beneficial while others are not" Certainly. Heat is nice (if not too much), but x-ray is usually bad. Gamma-rays a lot worse. And cellphone radiation is probably somewhere in between ... so like the article cites: we don't know yet. So I do not like sleeping next to my mobile nor have it next to lower body parts for too long ...

X-rays and Gamma and all the way down to UV are ionizing which is why they are harmful. Radio waves are way below light and infrared as was stated.

Forget body heat, why does no one care we are walking around 60w terahertz radiators in our home! Then we go outside and bathe in 1000 watt per meter sunlight which includes ionizing UV.

Cell phones put out the equivalent of a low power LED light I am not sure way everyone assumes they cause harm but seem to ignore light bulbs.

Re: 5G Radiation Dangers (2016)

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Post by rdtsc »

davidmurdoch wrote: post #23

My grandfather, one of the engineers that worked with the Voyager I and II teams, died of throat cancer. From the late 90s up until his death in 2007 he was warning people about the potential harmful effects of cell phone radiation. He would only use corded phones. His throat cancer was thought to be caused, at least in part, by his increased exposure to radiation from the instruments he worked on while working for t…

> If anyone knows more about the specifics of what my grandfather, William Henry Fairing, Jr., was working on, that'd be so amazing to learn about!

You probably thought about it, but wondering if you contacted your representative if they could do anything to help there.

Stuff usually gets declassified after a time period, he might have not said anything but by now some of it might be not secret any more.

Re: 5G Radiation Dangers (2016)

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Post by lgats »

lgats wrote: post #26
sschueller wrote: post #4

I would be more worried about issues similar to the diesel gate scandal where manufacturers start forging radiation tests results. How much testing does the government do and how much is the industry self testing?

Hi, I'm no expert on the exact regulations, but I run fccid.io and have a pretty good idea of the process manufacturers go through. Although forgery of results would be possible, almost all testing is done by independent labs. It would be possible for the manufacturer to submit a "compliant" sample but then program the rest of the units to radiate differently. What I see most commonly are devices being sold without a…

Bonus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlEZ8Cj3YGk

Youtube video produced by mobile phone manufacturers.

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