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An anarchist takes on Big Pharma by teaching patients to make their own meds

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Honest question: What does it even mean to be an anarchist these days? What is the default "anarchist"? Because Wikipedia isn't really helping.

“”” Noam Chomsky: Well, anarchism is, in my view, basically a kind of tendency in human thought which shows up in different forms in different circumstances, and has some leading characteristics. Primarily it is a tendency that is suspicious and skeptical of domination, authority, and hierarchy. It seeks structures of hierarchy and domination in human life over the whole range, extending from, say, patriarchal famili…

Vs the classical conservative world view in which order, even if it's unjust, is usually better for everyone, even the people on the bottom, than chaos; and that dismantling power structures, if done suddenly or without care, is more likely to result in chaos than in a new, more just, order. I've been wondering lately if there is room for the notion of a conservative anarchist, who questions hierarchy but dismantles carefully and incrementally.

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Synthesizing some simpler drugs sounds feasible even with amateur equipment, but still far from trivial. But I can't see that working reliably without the ability to do proper analytics on all steps. And regular people don't just have an NMR spectrometer at home.

Chemical reactions usually don't have a single product, other side reactions are possible. And they also don't use up 100% of the educt, so you have to get rid of that as well. Purifying your products and making sure they're actually what you want is essential.

Getting the dose right is also hard if you don't know how pure your product is, and if you don't have analytical scales (or work at a very large scale that a kitchen scale is enough).

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That seems both super dangerous, and super awesome. It's not something that we should have to consider. But this is the world we live in, now; legitimate supply lines of life-saving medicine have collapsed for a fair number of people. I understand why people might be troubled by someone actively going out and advocating this as opposed to simply making the information available, but if you're offered medicine with 95…

The cost of medicine I require to be functional enough to hold down a job has risen so much that the copay is the equivalent of the entire out-of-pocket cost from a few years ago.

The medication was discovered in 1969. The application method, which is the shitty excuse for the patents protecting its $2,200/month price tag, was first approved for use by the FDA in 1979. The drug has been for sale in it's current form for over a decade.

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>Then he took another sip from a flute of Taittinger Champagne. What? >Swaggering, charismatic, and complex, Gag me. >Michael Laufer has become a fixture in the growing biohacker movement ever since he published plans last year for a do-it-yourself EpiPencil — a $35 alternative to the pricey EpiPen. That couldn't possibly go wrong, eh? >It’s not clear whether anyone has actually ever used a homemade EpiPencil to prev…

Agreed that the article is a little too flattering to his ego, but what about people desperate for medical aid, can't afford it, and would probably end up with pain/death without this as an alternative? What should they do?

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I can't imagine the size of the overlap between people savvy/interested/experimental enough to attempt this sort of remedy and those desperately poor AND ill enough to do so. While the idea of bio-hacking as a hobbyist or proof-of-concept is becoming less and less uncommon, and people generally appreciate efforts to raise awareness toward a broken and inefficient healthcare and insurance system, attempting to "market" that DIY process using a fancy name, logo, and "mad scientist hacker anarchist intellectual" persona seems disingenuous at best, and potentially dangerous.

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The day anyone can get dna-programmable yeast and a reactor to grow it- big pharma is goone. What a nice woody sort of word.

Because I'm going to trust the kid's medicine down the street with no oversight?

Isn't this kind of like the day 3D printers become affordable, mass manufacturing is done?

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I watched Michael present one of the most engaging and exciting talks at HOPE11 in NYC last year. On stage, he proceeded to make Deraprim (The pharma bro's jacked up price anti-toxiplasmosis drug) live on stage and then throw it in the audience. He then called Martin live and said he was his arch rival. Brilliant!

Michael you are a legend and hero for our new dystopian pharma world.

Re: An anarchist takes on Big Pharma by teaching patients to make their own meds

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>Then he took another sip from a flute of Taittinger Champagne. What? >Swaggering, charismatic, and complex, Gag me. >Michael Laufer has become a fixture in the growing biohacker movement ever since he published plans last year for a do-it-yourself EpiPencil — a $35 alternative to the pricey EpiPen. That couldn't possibly go wrong, eh? >It’s not clear whether anyone has actually ever used a homemade EpiPencil to prev…

the overall affect that Laufer strikes throughout the interview and article gives me a strange impression - it's like a kind of self-parody
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