Well if that's the case, it shouldn't be too much longer before programmers don't ;)
i took a lot of classes with MBAS, they were a lot of fun and seemed like nice people
It's almost as if different people are different.
Forget Wall Street. M.B.A.s Want to Work for Amazon
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#23Well if that's the case, it shouldn't be too much longer before programmers don't ;)
Some of us MBA's have also written (and write) code and can also think from a dev mindset. Why all the hate for MBAs on here?
Because the tech landscape changes, and in a few years the tech skills you have will become outdated. Nobody will tell you this, though, so you'll confidently and move forward in your MBA career thinking you're still as good as you were when you developed full time. In a few years, you're going to butt heads with a developer who tells you you are wrong, but because you are an MBA and you used to develop, you must be right.
I deal with this all the time as a developer. I am tired of guys who "used to develop, so they know what they're talking about".
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#24Well if that's the case, it shouldn't be too much longer before programmers don't ;)
Some of us MBA's have also written (and write) code and can also think from a dev mindset. Why all the hate for MBAs on here?
Because out of all the PMs I've worked with, over 90% were awful. I'm sure you are an exception but the general rule holds
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#25Sigh, looks like this one's going to be the weekly HN MBA Hate Thread™. In defense of the degree:
Has it ever occurred to you guys that maybe some (many?) of these people were hackers prior to getting their MBA, and are very competent? Quite a few of my classmates had engineering (including software) backgrounds, and even the ones who had engineering degrees but didn't actually code were still clued in. Why this blanket dismissal of anyone with the degree?
This kind of generalization, "All X are bad/dumb/incompetent" would be shunned here and down voted to oblivion if X were "women", "men", "offshore developers", "no college degree", "interns", etc. But somehow "MBA" is totally OK. Bash away!
Because of this bizarre stigma in Silicon Valley (by the way, outside the valley, most companies consider it a plus), I tend to not even mention mine unless asked. When it comes up and I mention that I did the MBA thing a decade ago, I get reactions from my software colleagues ranging from "Wait, but you seem to know your shit!" to "Why would you do such a thing??" There are competent MBAs and there are shitty ones. Why can't this be acknowledged? Such a strange little quirk of our bubble out here...
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some of us MBA's have also written (and write) code and can also think from a dev mindset. Why all the hate for MBAs on here?
Because the tech landscape changes, and in a few years the tech skills you have will become outdated. Nobody will tell you this, though, so you'll confidently and move forward in your MBA career thinking you're still as good as you were when you developed full time. In a few years, you're going to butt heads with a developer who tells you you are wrong, but because you are an MBA and you used to develop, you must be…
Would that also apply to any technical managers and directors?
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some of us MBA's have also written (and write) code and can also think from a dev mindset. Why all the hate for MBAs on here?
Because the tech landscape changes, and in a few years the tech skills you have will become outdated. Nobody will tell you this, though, so you'll confidently and move forward in your MBA career thinking you're still as good as you were when you developed full time. In a few years, you're going to butt heads with a developer who tells you you are wrong, but because you are an MBA and you used to develop, you must be…
That is a fair point, will be mindful of this going forward.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some of us MBA's have also written (and write) code and can also think from a dev mindset. Why all the hate for MBAs on here?
Because out of all the PMs I've worked with, over 90% were awful. I'm sure you are an exception but the general rule holds
Interesting to hear, what makes them awful? FYI There are some of us who welcome feedback, so would like to hear your thoughts to be mindful.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've heard so many bad things about it. Someone always eventually chimes in with "it depends what team you're on" but somehow I don't find that very comforting. My point is programmers already shouldn't want to work there, but it's Amazon, so.
> My point is programmers already shouldn't want to work there, but it's Amazon, so. I don't understand how you can make a blanket statement like that. Why should programmers not want to work there?
Amazon has developed a public reputation for being an intense environment where employees are generally overworked [0]. Unsurprisingly, (based on conversations with engineers I know there) it varies depending on your team and even geographic location. But, based on the anecdotal data and the reporting that’s been done, it sounds like you can end up really miserable if you get screwed.
[0] https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amaz...
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#30Well if that's the case, it shouldn't be too much longer before programmers don't ;)
Some of us MBA's have also written (and write) code and can also think from a dev mindset. Why all the hate for MBAs on here?
I was just joking, although some people seem to be more serious. To me, it's just kind of a funny meme.