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Re: FaceID Security [pdf]

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Questions:

* Does one explicitly set up their FaceID with the option to skip, like how TouchID works currently? I see (when...enabled) verbiage, which is a good sign.

* "The probability that a random person in the population could look at your iPhone X and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 in 1,000,000 (versus 1 in 50,000 for Touch ID)" If you have a face that causes most people you meet to say "oh, you look like X, Y, or Z", is this probability reduced? Other comments noted Twins. This isn't meant to be humorous or tongue-and-cheek, there could be a precedent that people of certain appearances are easily spoofed.

* "To avoid a user having to reenroll to Face ID when these neural network changes are made, iPhone X will be able to automatically run stored enrollment images through the updated neural network."

I guess a layperson would see the words "automatically" and relax, but this leaves more to be desired in explaining the "Secure Enclave" to me. The Name "Secure Enclave" almost sounded like remote storage until I read that the data never leaves the device.

Thanks for the downvotes for questions!

[0] http://www.pnas.org/content/102/35/12629.full

Re: FaceID Security [pdf]

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"Face ID confirms attention by detecting the direction of your gaze" So to the argument that police can force you to open your iPhone if secured with TouchID, is this perhaps more secure? If you refrain from looking at your phone?

> If you refrain from looking at your phone?

Unfortunately, (myself included), we are so conditioned to look at your phone when it is out in our face that you would have to actively train against this "reflex".

Re: FaceID Security [pdf]

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"Face ID confirms attention by detecting the direction of your gaze" So to the argument that police can force you to open your iPhone if secured with TouchID, is this perhaps more secure? If you refrain from looking at your phone?

No, any kind of biometric auth is vulnerable to the adversary forcing your physical compliance. However you can disable TouchID and FaceID both by pressing the power button five times in quick succession, after which it will require your passcode.

5-clicks-in-quick-succession primarily activates the "Emergency SOS mode", as well as temporarily disabling TouchID. I think you should edit your post to reflect this.

Re: FaceID Security [pdf]

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I still wish it had an "unlock under duress" mode, where you could authenticate with a subtle difference (different gaze, alternate passcode, etc). The phone would unlock itself but then signal back to the mothership, cloud services and even apps that it's in "duress mode". Display in that mode should look totally normal, just some of the information missing (e.g. emails/messages/contacts from certain groups of contacts flagged as "withhold from duress mode"). This could help mitigate physical danger while preseving some of our critical information.

It's akin to having multiple wallets when visiting high-theft areas. Get held up by an armed thief and give them the cash in the visible wallet, while holding back what's hidden in another location.

Re: FaceID Security [pdf]

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Questions: * Does one explicitly set up their FaceID with the option to skip, like how TouchID works currently? I see (when...enabled) verbiage, which is a good sign. * "The probability that a random person in the population could look at your iPhone X and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 in 1,000,000 (versus 1 in 50,000 for Touch ID)" If you have a face that causes most people you meet to say "oh, you look…

Would be cool/weird if you could find out who they were and have a meetup.

Re: FaceID Security [pdf]

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"Face ID confirms attention by detecting the direction of your gaze" So to the argument that police can force you to open your iPhone if secured with TouchID, is this perhaps more secure? If you refrain from looking at your phone?

No, any kind of biometric auth is vulnerable to the adversary forcing your physical compliance. However you can disable TouchID and FaceID both by pressing the power button five times in quick succession, after which it will require your passcode.

> However you can disable TouchID and FaceID both by pressing the power button five times in quick succession

This seems effective "on paper, but not in practice." Even if you're innocent, it is one of the most nerve-racking experiences to go through.

In the heat of the moment, what if you used an old 5s method to deactivate TouchID instead of whatever method works for the X?

Re: FaceID Security [pdf]

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post #20

> The probability of a false match is different for twins and siblings that look like you as well as among children under the age of 13, because their Face ID Security September 2017 2 distinct facial features may not have fully developed. If you're concerned about this, we recommend using a passcode to authenticate. I was really hoping they'd provide the probability for identical twins, but maybe they don't have eno…

I believe the probability for identical twins is 1 in 1; they mentioned in the keynote that some people will have to stick with passcodes, including those with "evil twins". (Presumably if you trust your identical twin to not be evil, you don't care if they're able to unlock your phone.)

Re: FaceID Security [pdf]

#29

Biometrics are UID's - not passcodes.

I agree with you, but features like this are often the difference have some (decent) security and none at all.

Consider the iPhone prior to TouchID. A lot of people used trivial passcodes, or no passcodes at all.

Re: FaceID Security [pdf]

#30
> The probability of a false match is different for twins and siblings that look like you

Apple mentioned this on stage, which to me was quite significant since they don't waste a single word during their keynotes.

They still haven't given approximate collision chances and to me this must mean they think it's below the 1/50,000 touch id had.

My understanding is fingerprint collisions are highly random. That is very different from Face ID collisions since they are highly predictable.

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