I'm working on an edtech startup and with it I've been spending a lot of time at Princeton University. From my experience with Princeton, Ivy League school are VERY overt about promoting elitism within their communities. I understand the thought behind it but a lot of these students are in for a rude awakening when they go work for an investment bank and find out that their Ivy League elitism means nothing if they can't produce in the workplace.
What the elite expect and receive from an Ivy League education
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#22Here's a working link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/0... The article is short, and only uses an anecdote to support its claim. While I can generally agree that places like Harvard work more in connections, networks, and money than intellectual rigor, the article is too short and missing enough detail to fall flat.
As a former undergrad, the points about grade inflation are 100% correct, and everything else is garbage. > Many of the better-off young people at Harvard appeared to require intense favoritism to reassure them, perhaps because of the less-moneyed achievement and potential that loomed all around. Though some of the anointed developed their capabilities to the full, the institutional imperative to establish a hierarch…
I'm sorry, but YOUR criticism is unsubstantiated.
You sound like a self-righteous prick that probably had many of his own privileged perspectives 'ratified' by the disgraceful institution known as 'Harvard'.
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#23Do enough people really have a subscription to the Washington Post? Or is this trending purely because a lot of people agree with the opinionated title?
Washington Post is some of the best investigative journalism going on right now at a mainstream media level. NYT is just a rag in comparison.
While I agree that the NYT is garbage by and large. WaPo ain't much better; if they have some of the best investigative journalism around, that's a very, very sad state of affairs. Not to mention their conspicuous lack of criticism when reporting on Amazon..
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#24I'm working on an edtech startup and with it I've been spending a lot of time at Princeton University. From my experience with Princeton, Ivy League school are VERY overt about promoting elitism within their communities. I understand the thought behind it but a lot of these students are in for a rude awakening when they go work for an investment bank and find out that their Ivy League elitism means nothing if they ca…
Eh, investment banking is arduous cause of the hours, and does require you to be pretty smart, but its not as meritocratic as your claiming. It's stacked with Ivy League kids exactly because elitism at big banks works in their favor during the hiring process.
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#25Harvard's graduation rate is 97.5%. Yale 97%. Princeton 96.9%. It's hard to flunk out of the Ivy League.
Non Ivy League highly selective schools: Caltech 92.3%. Stanford 93%. MIT 92.2%. UC Berkeley: 90.9%. Low 90% success rate is normal there.
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#26First world problems...
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#27The article ends with: It’s a system that polishes privilege, its byproduct a contempt for earned authority. Many of the people who started with this attitude had it ratified and encouraged by perhaps the most prestigious university in the world — and now they’re running the whole show. Emphasis on now added. Who in their right mind thinks people who attend Harvard and a handful of other elite universities and prep s…
Is Harvard really considered more prestigious than Oxford or Cambridge? That doesn't follow my perception.
Also note the "perhaps."
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#28Cultivating this attitude in future leaders does in fact seem to help them gain power. I think it ties in with the need for A) impeccable credentials and B) the ability to cavalierly invite the CEO, world leader, whomever, to play golf. In some people we call it charisma, in others we call it entitlement. I'm starting to wonder if it's not only the person we describe, but also our own position and personal knowledge…
the ability to cavalierly invite the CEO, world leader, whomever, to play golf.
"There is no door in this entire country that cannot be opened by a Choate graduate." - Choate fund-raising director.[1]
[1] https://books.google.com/books?id=Fw4nkhf_6lMC&pg=PA109&lpg=...
Re: What the elite expect and receive from an Ivy League education
#29Here's a working link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/0... The article is short, and only uses an anecdote to support its claim. While I can generally agree that places like Harvard work more in connections, networks, and money than intellectual rigor, the article is too short and missing enough detail to fall flat.
As a former undergrad, the points about grade inflation are 100% correct, and everything else is garbage. > Many of the better-off young people at Harvard appeared to require intense favoritism to reassure them, perhaps because of the less-moneyed achievement and potential that loomed all around. Though some of the anointed developed their capabilities to the full, the institutional imperative to establish a hierarch…
I've heard first hand stories from friends who did their undergrad at Harvard that spoke to favoritism. One is: while playing rugby, a friend tackles another student. The coach pulls my friend aside and tells him to stop "hitting so hard" (my friend is an average to below average sized guy). Puzzled, my friend asks why, to which the coach replies, "think about the kid's name."
He was a Kennedy.
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#30Do enough people really have a subscription to the Washington Post? Or is this trending purely because a lot of people agree with the opinionated title?
I canceled mine because they use outbrain but it hasn't expired yet.