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Kids Praised for Being Smart Are More Likely to Cheat

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Re: Kids Praised for Being Smart Are More Likely to Cheat

#21
Reminds me of chapters eighteen and nineteen of the Tao Te Ching. Specially the third and fourth lines of chapter eighteen:

"When wisdom and intelligence are born,/ The great pretense begins."

But I'm not entirely sure if it's a permissible interpretation of the text.

Re: Kids Praised for Being Smart Are More Likely to Cheat

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Sick now I have something to blame for my chronic lying, thus clearly releasing me from any blame for my own mis-deeds. All makes sense to me though, I felt severe pressure for fitting into what I perceived as my 'role' growing up, and constantly being called smart created massive pressure to continue to be viewed that way.

>> Sick now I have something to blame for my chronic lying, thus clearly releasing me from any blame for my own mis-deeds.

Umm. Stop trying to place blame on others or yourself. Nothing good can come from that. Results stem from effort, nothing more or less. Learning comes from trying, both success and failure. Understand where you went wrong and aim to do better in the future. When you fail again, rinse and repeat all of the above. And remember none of this is easy, you're trying to overcome deeply ingrained patterns of thinking and behavior.

Re: Kids Praised for Being Smart Are More Likely to Cheat

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post #22

I don't think it's worth praising effort nor results. The real thing that should be praised imo is measurable improvement.

Seems sensible to me. Improvement is the proverbial "learning to learn" lesson. It's also motivating and being motivated by improvement is a great mental habit.

This is what testing should be focused on, IMO. Creating some visibility for the learner on long and short term progress, and a "reward" for improvement.

The canonical system (IMO) for this is Kano Jigoro's judo belt system and its descendants. Works great for kids. Seems like we could do it for math or reading too.

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Being praised for being smart begets cheating because of the pressure to continue to be perceived as smart ("The researchers believe that praising ability is tied to performance pressure in a way that praising behavior isn’t."). The behavior praise stressses the past while the ability praises uphold an idea of permanent ability; perhaps the phrasing of the praise is significant too ("'You are so smart' vs 'You did ve…

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Re: Kids Praised for Being Smart Are More Likely to Cheat

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post #22

I don't think it's worth praising effort nor results. The real thing that should be praised imo is measurable improvement.

What does that mean in practice, though? Take learning: is simply having learned more an improvement? Then almost any kid qualifies. Is it learning better/faster than before? Then what happens when the kid reaches a very high level and eventually plateaus? Do you stop praising them despite being one of the best?

Re: Kids Praised for Being Smart Are More Likely to Cheat

#29

I have been told that praising a kid for effort vs. results is much more important. As a child, I was told I was smart and basically tried to coast as much as possible. I still have a lot of trouble learning how to do something new, especially because I have kind of internalized that I'm good at everything.

A bit of both is probably good. For example: in Belgium, in recent years a lot of kids are (often) given points for effort so they can pass a certain grade. More and more the case. I talked to a teacher friend about this, and while he thinks its great, I think it's ridiculous. Do we want a society of people who put in some effort yet achieve nothing? Now, not that I think the educational system shouldn't be flexible…

That's insane. When I "make an effort" to pay a parking ticket on time and I don't, nobody gives me a shiny sticker star - I have to pay double instead.

EDIT: People, I said nothing about children paying parking tickets or about poor people. My comment is an example of a self-inflicted problem that is exacerbated by self-inflicted delay, to which the consequences must be borne by the individual as is the nature of life - NOT a dissertation on poverty. These distractions do little to serve the debate.

Re: Kids Praised for Being Smart Are More Likely to Cheat

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Sick now I have something to blame for my chronic lying, thus clearly releasing me from any blame for my own mis-deeds. All makes sense to me though, I felt severe pressure for fitting into what I perceived as my 'role' growing up, and constantly being called smart created massive pressure to continue to be viewed that way.

>> Sick now I have something to blame for my chronic lying, thus clearly releasing me from any blame for my own mis-deeds. Umm. Stop trying to place blame on others or yourself. Nothing good can come from that. Results stem from effort, nothing more or less. Learning comes from trying, both success and failure. Understand where you went wrong and aim to do better in the future. When you fail again, rinse and repeat a…

Apologies that was an attempt at humor.
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