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The Debate Over Neighborhood Zoning Could Hold Up Fast 5G Wireless for Years

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Re: The Debate Over Neighborhood Zoning Could Hold Up Fast 5G Wireless for Years

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Post by yial »

krallja wrote: post #9
engined wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an area I have experience and expertise in. Look at Master License Agreements in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Charlotte. Some states also have uniform legislation snaking its way through the various bodies, including Virginia, Ohio, Washington, Minnesota, Colorado, Florida, and California. Some is driven by ALEC and/or the wireless carriers, so it may be aggressively pro-deployment (to the detriment of local…

There is no PM functionality on Hacker News, and I don't see contact information in your profile.

Based on comment history I assume info@docketdaily.com gets to him.

Re: The Debate Over Neighborhood Zoning Could Hold Up Fast 5G Wireless for Years

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Post by yial »

ksec wrote: post #8
engined wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an area I have experience and expertise in. Look at Master License Agreements in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Charlotte. Some states also have uniform legislation snaking its way through the various bodies, including Virginia, Ohio, Washington, Minnesota, Colorado, Florida, and California. Some is driven by ALEC and/or the wireless carriers, so it may be aggressively pro-deployment (to the detriment of local…

PM? How?

Based on comment history I assume info@docketdaily.com gets to him.

Re: The Debate Over Neighborhood Zoning Could Hold Up Fast 5G Wireless for Years

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Post by rootsudo »

kibwen wrote: post #18

I wonder at what point we'll start seeing people simply stop paying for in-home internet via WiFi in favor of relying solely on their mobile data package, in the same way that people stopped paying for corded phone lines and are starting to stop paying for cable television. For some reason I'm frightened at the prospect... is it because I trust my ISP more than my wireless carrier?

When it's cheaper than traditional wired networking systems.

In many developing countries, this is the norm. No fast internet access, maybe DSL if there's a land line but "pocket wifi" for all.

Re: The Debate Over Neighborhood Zoning Could Hold Up Fast 5G Wireless for Years

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Post by kayoone »

kibwen wrote: post #18

I wonder at what point we'll start seeing people simply stop paying for in-home internet via WiFi in favor of relying solely on their mobile data package, in the same way that people stopped paying for corded phone lines and are starting to stop paying for cable television. For some reason I'm frightened at the prospect... is it because I trust my ISP more than my wireless carrier?

I am not sure the current capacity of mobile networks could handle a majority of people going mobile only. Since mobile bandwidth is shared the experience could be quite bad in population dense areas. Imo wired Internet will be around for a while, unless 5G changes things a lot, but I don't know enough about that.

Re: The Debate Over Neighborhood Zoning Could Hold Up Fast 5G Wireless for Years

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Post by Yumz- »

kibwen wrote: post #18

I wonder at what point we'll start seeing people simply stop paying for in-home internet via WiFi in favor of relying solely on their mobile data package, in the same way that people stopped paying for corded phone lines and are starting to stop paying for cable television. For some reason I'm frightened at the prospect... is it because I trust my ISP more than my wireless carrier?

This is not uncommon here in Turkey. I end up using my iPhone as a modem via USB tethering often. Mobile internet is much faster in Turkey (100+ mbs for cheap) than the wired network. It only adds ~10ping and can handle anything.

I'm willing to bet this will be the norm worldwide when 5G rolls out. Here in Turkey we have '4.5G' which is a marketing term for the latest generation 4G infrastructure. We only got 4G last year here, so we have the latest hardware.

Re: The Debate Over Neighborhood Zoning Could Hold Up Fast 5G Wireless for Years

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Post by Yumz- »

sandworm101 wrote: post #3

I'm split. 5G is great but is also being used in a political game re the definition of broadband. ISPs in my area (western canada) are using the existence of faster wireless to claim they are offering broadband to rural addresses via wireless rather than build out proper infrastructure. The stagnation of cable/DSL broadband speeds and basic availability is having serious economic impact. Areas without cable/DSL servi…

Why is this a bad thing? I don't understand why you think every rural backwater needs to be subsidized to the tune of billions by the productive regions of the world. We should be looking to returning 95%+ of land to nature as we urbanize more and more.

I wish more companies and governments would do what the ISPs are doing. Why am I paying for post offices in rural America? Why am I paying to subsidize electricity transportation to rural America?

Re: The Debate Over Neighborhood Zoning Could Hold Up Fast 5G Wireless for Years

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Post by konschubert »

Yumz- wrote: post #26
sandworm101 wrote: post #3

I'm split. 5G is great but is also being used in a political game re the definition of broadband. ISPs in my area (western canada) are using the existence of faster wireless to claim they are offering broadband to rural addresses via wireless rather than build out proper infrastructure. The stagnation of cable/DSL broadband speeds and basic availability is having serious economic impact. Areas without cable/DSL servi…

Why is this a bad thing? I don't understand why you think every rural backwater needs to be subsidized to the tune of billions by the productive regions of the world. We should be looking to returning 95%+ of land to nature as we urbanize more and more. I wish more companies and governments would do what the ISPs are doing. Why am I paying for post offices in rural America? Why am I paying to subsidize electricity tr…

So the people living there aren't left behind too much. It is in your best interest to retain some social cohesion.

Re: The Debate Over Neighborhood Zoning Could Hold Up Fast 5G Wireless for Years

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Post by martinald »

kibwen wrote: post #18

I wonder at what point we'll start seeing people simply stop paying for in-home internet via WiFi in favor of relying solely on their mobile data package, in the same way that people stopped paying for corded phone lines and are starting to stop paying for cable television. For some reason I'm frightened at the prospect... is it because I trust my ISP more than my wireless carrier?

Lots of people already do this. If you're a light/occasional internet user it makes way more sense to buy a 5GB/month dongle and use that instead vs getting hard wired broadband. This doesn't even include the fact loads of people only access the internet through a smartphone and not a computer, which means they probably won't bother with hardwired at all.

The more difficult is heavy internet users. Considering an LTE cell site has between 100 and 1gigabit of capacity across all of it, and there is hundreds/thousands of customers connected, it's hard to see how this would work for more heavy internet demands (HD video streaming, etc) without it all grinding to a halt.

Re: The Debate Over Neighborhood Zoning Could Hold Up Fast 5G Wireless for Years

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Post by devereaux »

konschubert wrote: post #27
Yumz- wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this a bad thing? I don't understand why you think every rural backwater needs to be subsidized to the tune of billions by the productive regions of the world. We should be looking to returning 95%+ of land to nature as we urbanize more and more. I wish more companies and governments would do what the ISPs are doing. Why am I paying for post offices in rural America? Why am I paying to subsidize electricity tr…

So the people living there aren't left behind too much. It is in your best interest to retain some social cohesion.

What if some people like that? Why is the link with social cohesion? Why would it be a best interest? Uniformity for uniformity sake?? And at which cost as the OP said??

Different people have different tastes. I enjoy being offline when I am in the countryside. I am fine with a slow connection, as it lets me concentrate on actual work instead of wasting time online.

I pushed the logic further, and since last year, I have no fixed line internet connection at home.

I would love to find a house not too far from the city, yet without broadband. It would be a relaxing place to live. If there is no government mandate forcing ISP to provide connectivity in the middle of nowhere, the savings could be passed back to me in the form of lower taxes.

So basically I would get a) something I want and that is hard to get today b) less taxes.

Sign me up!

Re: The Debate Over Neighborhood Zoning Could Hold Up Fast 5G Wireless for Years

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Post by wbl »

konschubert wrote: post #27
Yumz- wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this a bad thing? I don't understand why you think every rural backwater needs to be subsidized to the tune of billions by the productive regions of the world. We should be looking to returning 95%+ of land to nature as we urbanize more and more. I wish more companies and governments would do what the ISPs are doing. Why am I paying for post offices in rural America? Why am I paying to subsidize electricity tr…

So the people living there aren't left behind too much. It is in your best interest to retain some social cohesion.

They are free to move to cities any time.
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