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What a Programmer Sees When He Watches Inception

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Re: What a Programmer Sees When He Watches Inception

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Anybody else think of the book Godel Escher Bach when they were watching this movie? Beautiful how the movie wraps in on itself like a mobius strip.

Is this wrapping around because of the first "act", when washes up on shore? I still don't quite understand how that fits in, if someone cares to elucidate.

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Don't read if you haven't seen it yet!

Saito dies at some level (if I remember right at the top dream level) and he enters limbo. Cobb goes there from the snow compound dream level but Saito has already been there 20-40 years (maybe they said in the movie, I forgot that too). Cobb then helps him remember Saito is in a dream so they can wake up together from the limbo state.

Re: What a Programmer Sees When He Watches Inception

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What if she watches it?

You might be interested in reading this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_in_English#Modern_Englis.... As third person singular personal pronouns, he and he/she are both acceptable in the dual gender case. If we're going to be strictly PC we should say gender-neutral, but A Comprehensive Grammar of the English Language was written in 1985, so I hope you let it pass. :)

Re: What a Programmer Sees When He Watches Inception

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Inception also understands "Big Oh" ideas -- when you are looping inside the third level down, you have 10 seconds on the outside giving you 10^3 seconds on the inside. (EDIT: a single "tick" in one level allows for 20 or so "ticks" at the next level of dreaming, because of extra brain capacity during sleep.) Hehe -- I loved the movie...

Haha, I was thinking the same thing while watching it last night. Terrific movie indeed.

Re: What a Programmer Sees When He Watches Inception

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Anybody else think of the book Godel Escher Bach when they were watching this movie? Beautiful how the movie wraps in on itself like a mobius strip.

Is this wrapping around because of the first "act", when washes up on shore? I still don't quite understand how that fits in, if someone cares to elucidate.

The first scene is "here's where he is at now" and then the rest of the movie is a flashback explaining how this happened.

Re: What a Programmer Sees When He Watches Inception

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What a Programmer Sees When He or She Watches Inception does not have the same panache.

I've never understood the animosity towards overloading `they` as a neuter singular pronoun. It doesn't seem to introduce any sort of ambiguity in the language and replaces a whole slurry of fumbling and hackish attempts with a single widely understood syllable. It's damned convenient. Of course, I also hold a disdain for "proper quoting".

The problem is, when a person uses 'they' as a single pronoun, he seems uneducated.

Re: What a Programmer Sees When He Watches Inception

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What a Programmer Sees When Watching Inception is just as good, and makes no unwarranted assumptions.

"He" is a common vernacular; get off your soapbox.

Question: When you read the title, did you imagine the article was by a female author?

Re: What a Programmer Sees When He Watches Inception

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"He" as gender-neutral singular pronoun is not even vernacular -- it is standard English.

Standard English is a construct of a society predominantly run by, and for, men. It is, in no small way, the English of Those Who Rule, which is to say, at least for a very long time, men.

I don't disagree that standard language is dynamic and a representation of culture (and those who control it).

However -- while I have heard plenty of suggestions for resolving the issue from college english professors, none of them have managed to convince the Central Board of Oppressive English to accept their proposal, and so we might just be stuck with non gender-neutral pronouns and awkward she/he constructions for the time being.

'They' might emerge as a ambiguously plural/singular gender-neutral pronoun, but in the meantime I won't berate anyone for sticking to the accepted standard.

Re: What a Programmer Sees When He Watches Inception

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a Programmer Sees When Watching Inception is just as good, and makes no unwarranted assumptions.

"He" is a common vernacular; get off your soapbox.

I agree with the thrust of your comment that vernacular is what it is and attempts to police it are foolish. Though there's no need to be rude. And "he" is not a vernacular (Muphry's Law?). But this case is a lot more subtle than you imply.

Generic singular "he" is an older usage that is slowly phasing out as society changes. When I find myself using "he" for this, I always notice that it doesn't quite feel right anymore. Of course most people who favor this usage point to its "standard" correctness (cf. this thread), but that's pointing to the past. What's interesting is that we're in a pluralistic stage where there are many competing alternatives -- generic "he", alternating "he" and "she", "he or she", singular "they" -- none of which quite feels right.

This is untenable in the long run because it forces you to think about which one to use. That's way too much runtime overhead, and it's not how language works. Vernacular is a don't-make-me-think thing. That's the real problem with sprout's suggestion in the GP, i.e. rewording to drop the generic singular altogether. It's a viable alternative, and I do it all the time, but it's also the most expensive.

There's no way this gap won't get filled. The only reason we haven't seen it yet is that fundamental language shifts are slow relative to a human lifespan.

The option I find most annoying is the "sometimes use 'he' and sometimes use 'she'" one, which is like solving a design problem in a function by offloading it entirely to the caller. Not only do you have to think about which one to use, you also have to reference-count to keep the two in balance over time. No way is that one going to survive. (I also find that people who do this tend to be annoying tsk-tsk types, though maybe that's a prejudice.) My money's on singular "they", because it's the simplest, it's truly generic, and -- amusingly contrary to all the pseudo-grammarians who freak out about it -- it has a long history in English. Great examples at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they.

Re: What a Programmer Sees When He Watches Inception

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"He" as gender-neutral singular pronoun is not even vernacular -- it is standard English.

Standard English is a construct of a society predominantly run by, and for, men. It is, in no small way, the English of Those Who Rule, which is to say, at least for a very long time, men.

So? It means what it means; you can't argue that something is insulting because it would be insulting if someone else was directing the growth of the language.
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