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Have you partnered with thieves and robbers?

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Re: Have you partnered with thieves and robbers?

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@all - Quick points to clarify - my partner and I have 'filed' for patent but not received it yet. The concept is not unique in itself - the auto switch from visible to invisible is. As a fully funded VC company, any patent is value creating - the intention is obviously to use the patent tag to then seriously license the solution to folks like Viacom etc.

if (HOST != MYSERVER) { show_ad(); } This is silly. I congratulate you for writing an interesting blog post and I can understand that one would like to obtain a monopoly if he's found a working business model, yet I consider such a practice to be highly unethical. You are right in thinking that you deserve to reap the benefits after you've found a solution to that problem. You truly do. But you're wrong in drawing th…

I won't argue with your viewpoint of the patent system, but at some level I can understand why the OP did this. India is not a good place to do business especially if you're a software company which is centered around being a hotbed for innovation. The legal system is so slow that nuclear fusion would have been invented by the time your case is resolved.

Down here it is common for people to copy your code by reverse engineering or some other method and use it blatantly in their products, because they know that you can't go after them. What a patent does is that it gives that aura of security. I think that the indian govt. is trying to setup a fast track court to deal with patent disputes in order to be globally competitive. So, people are less likely to mess with you if you have that bit over there.

In his point of view it is a defense tactic necessary for the survival of his company. It is doubtful that his company would survive beyond a point if it doesn't protect itself like this. I know this is wrong in so many ways, but try to explain this to the trolls.

Re: Have you partnered with thieves and robbers?

#22
Also, other games, simply refuse to load if they are executed within the context of another domain (even blocking localhost).

I've seen it with Desktop tower defense. Can't tell I appreciate it, but it should help fighting theft.

Though, is it really that hard to crack? (wrt to code obfuscation) Any experience from flash developers?

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Am I the only one who came up with the solution "embed the ads in your game" while reading the description of the problem? Of course, my excitement of having guessed this plot twist faded when I read on about how this was patented. Oh well, I'm sure the real genius was in the Romulan-like cloaking technology they invented to hide the ads in the games.

It's also a poor solution! Getting people on your site is much more important than getting people to play your game, because some % of your visitors will return to check out what else you've done. If it's on other sites, they'll return to check out what else is on that site - not your games.

Ads pay out little but you can make decent money out of a site with traction. We don't even bother with ads on a lot of games at http://www.rocksolidarcade.com. The traffic is more important.

Re: Have you partnered with thieves and robbers?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

if (HOST != MYSERVER) { show_ad(); } This is silly. I congratulate you for writing an interesting blog post and I can understand that one would like to obtain a monopoly if he's found a working business model, yet I consider such a practice to be highly unethical. You are right in thinking that you deserve to reap the benefits after you've found a solution to that problem. You truly do. But you're wrong in drawing th…

I won't argue with your viewpoint of the patent system, but at some level I can understand why the OP did this. India is not a good place to do business especially if you're a software company which is centered around being a hotbed for innovation. The legal system is so slow that nuclear fusion would have been invented by the time your case is resolved. Down here it is common for people to copy your code by reverse…

I can understand the desire to get a monopoly too, as I've pointed out. But I also fail to see how the situation is any different in the rest of the world. Don't let minor differences fool you. This is simply a case of a lack of innovation and therefore they have no edge over their competition.

This ridicules the whole concept of software patents. Where they should protect innovation they simply protect the lack thereof. If it was the other way around, if they had such a great product that the competition had too much work to do, they wouldn't need a patent in the first place. This is how the rest of the world deals with the problem.

Now we know that having the best product is not a guarantee for success. And that's where that unethical edge-taking via patents comes into play.

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post #12

"if Virgin Music and EMI etc., would have bought Napster (instead of suing it and closing it down) and then converted the site into their official mp3 website, iTunes would have been a me-too and not the gorilla it is today" This part is interesting. Not so because of the concrete actors mentioned, but overall. It raises the question about the way the whole film/game/music industry battles piracy. Do You think they t…

If you could go back to 1995 and show even the most open-minded EMI exec the state of business today, I'm not sure that his conclusion wouldn't be they they'd lost - completely.

The music industry has all but completely lost the power over distribution and discovery, and these were the areas that allowed them to pick up a kid off the street and make him a superstar and make people listen to him. When you make somebody a star, it's a bit harder for them to negotiate their salaries, than if you find someone already talented, with a following etc.

The head of the graph is roughly the same height, but it drops off much quicker and the tail is much fatter. Yes, they've more-or-less successfully transitioned to the new reality, but it's a much, much less lucrative reality.

Re: Have you partnered with thieves and robbers?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't argue with your viewpoint of the patent system, but at some level I can understand why the OP did this. India is not a good place to do business especially if you're a software company which is centered around being a hotbed for innovation. The legal system is so slow that nuclear fusion would have been invented by the time your case is resolved. Down here it is common for people to copy your code by reverse…

I can understand the desire to get a monopoly too, as I've pointed out. But I also fail to see how the situation is any different in the rest of the world. Don't let minor differences fool you. This is simply a case of a lack of innovation and therefore they have no edge over their competition. This ridicules the whole concept of software patents. Where they should protect innovation they simply protect the lack ther…

I know that.

The problem is that you're assuming that everyone is playing a level headed game with you. I was born and raised in India. Even though I grew up elsewhere inside my head, I've seen stuff that is so far out that I really couldn't believe my eyes.

I've seen my father pile money into a black bag for his boss in order to bribe a certain famous politician. Why? Well, they wanted to win the bid for supplying security gear to a certain infrastructural branch. I snorted in disbelief and I was promptly rushed out of the room.

I've seen people copy and paste code for a living in a company. I've seen family businesses that are hardly above being a gray mafia. I've seen people burn their books every year to evade tax, and I've seen tax officials get richer and richer all the time.

Do you want me to continue?

It is true that such stuff happens every where, but over here it is taken as the birth right of a company to do so. As long as they have money in their pockets no one can touch them. This is where scare tactics come in.

Whether or not his company is innovative is a question that comes into play only when other people are competing in the same way. Trust me he has done something extremely bold down here, but the trolls have more money and less expenses. They don't need to hire people to develop stuff. They just copy whatever he makes and bribe the officials so that they can get away.

If a patent deters them even one bit and allows him to thrive then I think it is logical for him to do so. Right or wrong comes into the equation when certain basic parameters are met.

Personally, I can't live like this and the minute I get an opportunity I will pack my bags and leave. I want to spend my time creating beautiful things not fighting trolls in the name of running a "business". So, in a way I applaud him for standing his ground and fighting to make it down here. At the same time I condemn him, but can I really blame him?

Re: Have you partnered with thieves and robbers?

#27

@all - Quick points to clarify - my partner and I have 'filed' for patent but not received it yet. The concept is not unique in itself - the auto switch from visible to invisible is. As a fully funded VC company, any patent is value creating - the intention is obviously to use the patent tag to then seriously license the solution to folks like Viacom etc.

When was it filed exactly? I first did this in 2007. And I have to say, I considered it obvious at the time (the difference is I show an ad for my site, rather than generic ads). Do you have a link to the filing?

Re: Have you partnered with thieves and robbers?

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post #22

Also, other games, simply refuse to load if they are executed within the context of another domain (even blocking localhost). I've seen it with Desktop tower defense. Can't tell I appreciate it, but it should help fighting theft. Though, is it really that hard to crack? (wrt to code obfuscation) Any experience from flash developers?

I've only played a little bit with a flash decompiler.

Calls to the standard library and globals (like mouseX), etc. will remain as is. So my guess is that it would be not too hard to alter. But I'd be surprised if such simple measures wouldn't cut off the majority of leechers. Though as soon as one cracked version shows up on the internet, the whole maneuver is rendered futile.

This is indeed an interesting topic, especially considering the options a) run everywhere and show my ads (mochiads, cpmstar, ...?) or b) run only at my site so I get all the traffic (not sure if this is compatible with those ad-servers).

Well... this reminds me of the drm-struggle. Although the negative impact for the enduser is a lot smaller (dysfunctional swf on a leecher site?), you'd have to ask yourself how much time you'd like to spend with the arms race rather than implementing features, fixing bugs or writing new games. As a "content provider" there is probably no other way to keep sanity other than accepting theft to some degree.

Re: Have you partnered with thieves and robbers?

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can understand the desire to get a monopoly too, as I've pointed out. But I also fail to see how the situation is any different in the rest of the world. Don't let minor differences fool you. This is simply a case of a lack of innovation and therefore they have no edge over their competition. This ridicules the whole concept of software patents. Where they should protect innovation they simply protect the lack ther…

I know that. The problem is that you're assuming that everyone is playing a level headed game with you. I was born and raised in India. Even though I grew up elsewhere inside my head, I've seen stuff that is so far out that I really couldn't believe my eyes. I've seen my father pile money into a black bag for his boss in order to bribe a certain famous politician. Why? Well, they wanted to win the bid for supplying s…

Just to make it clear, I do not judge the guy and I find the way the blog post was written pleasureful. One of the better reads I've come across recently. I can also envision being in a situation where I would make the same decision even if I hated it. It's not his fault that this easily abused tool exists.

Thank you for sharing your indian point of view. :-) At first I failed to see how all those local issues make a difference. That is because the whole problem translates flawlessly to a global context and I focused that context alone.

It's not hard to imagine that the inhibition threshold is much lower in an environment like the one you described.

Re: Have you partnered with thieves and robbers?

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@all - Quick points to clarify - my partner and I have 'filed' for patent but not received it yet. The concept is not unique in itself - the auto switch from visible to invisible is. As a fully funded VC company, any patent is value creating - the intention is obviously to use the patent tag to then seriously license the solution to folks like Viacom etc.

When was it filed exactly? I first did this in 2007. And I have to say, I considered it obvious at the time (the difference is I show an ad for my site, rather than generic ads). Do you have a link to the filing?

obvious to hackers = novel to suits

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