Available version of the propose directive: https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regdoc/rep/1/2016/EN/1-201...
A Copyright Vote That Could Change the EU’s Internet
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Re: A Copyright Vote That Could Change the EU’s Internet
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook will have a lobby that carves out an exception for itself while simultaneously shutting down any threat to its monopoly through this legislation.
In the EU, maybe not. This may be a signal that the internet has become way too centralized. The irony of the centralization of a decentralized platform is suddenly enforcement of regulations like these become feasible. The nuclear-war proof internet is suddenly vulnerable to people sitting behind desks or whatever the hell they do in Europe.
This. The Web should become re decentralized. Identity breaches now happening all the time. Central databases are crack to NSA, advertising agencies and others. But there is hope!
https://qbix.com/blog/index.php/2017/08/centralization-and-o...
Re: A Copyright Vote That Could Change the EU’s Internet
#23I would love to read an analysis or critique of these laws that doesn't come from the radical anti-copyright lobby
Re: A Copyright Vote That Could Change the EU’s Internet
#24I would love to read an analysis or critique of these laws that doesn't come from the radical anti-copyright lobby
The critique comes from the proponents of normal approach. It's the proposal itself that comes from the radical copyright lobby.
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#25I'm sorry, but an article like this should contain quotes or at least links to the actual text under discussion. Like this, it's only an opinion piece.
I might be wrong, but I think that they haven't posted any actual text because the document(s) got leaked. If you're looking for a proper discussion about this and the actual text, EDRi (something like EU's EFF) is probably what you're looking for. They did an extensive coverage of this in the last couple of days and have published the leaked documents. Some links: https://edri.org/leaked-document-eu-presidency-calls…
> I might be wrong, but I think that they haven't posted any actual text because the document(s) got leaked.
You're wrong, but it's an easy mistake to make: the leak concerns the ongoing diplomatic discussions between the nations voting on the proposal:
> According to a new leak, a number of EU Member States share our serious concerns about the proposal for mass surveillance and censorship of uploads to the internet in Europe, included in the European Commission’s proposal for a new copyright Directive. Those Member States seem unwilling to build a censorship machine forcing EU countries to adopt Google’s current practices. They highlight that such practices should not be implemented without making sure of the consequences for fundamental rights and for the rule of law. The leaked document contains a list of questions posed to the internal legal service of the Council of the EU, signed by six EU Member States: Belgium, the Czech Republic, Finland, Hungary, Ireland and the Netherlands.
The proposed directive itself is, as with all such proposals, open and available for everyone in every official EU language:
http://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regdoc/rep/1/2016/EN/1-2016...
Re: A Copyright Vote That Could Change the EU’s Internet
#26Very bad reform. Among the other things, it makes any site directly responsible for every copyright violation of its users. For a change, this is as bad for big and small companies. Not even Facebook can policy all the posts of their users for words, pictures, sounds and videos. FB won't get a takedown notice, it could be sued directly.
Why is this a bad thing?
Re: A Copyright Vote That Could Change the EU’s Internet
#27Very bad reform. Among the other things, it makes any site directly responsible for every copyright violation of its users. For a change, this is as bad for big and small companies. Not even Facebook can policy all the posts of their users for words, pictures, sounds and videos. FB won't get a takedown notice, it could be sued directly.
Facebook will have a lobby that carves out an exception for itself while simultaneously shutting down any threat to its monopoly through this legislation.
Governments could take down fb (and google) if they chose to. They'll fight back but the Chinese have demonstrated that it's possible given sufficient will. With fb having recently been targeting Kremlin propaganda at voting populations I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they didn't get canned in the name of national security.
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#28The tech world is going to have to decide pretty quickly what it wants to be:
1. A set of dumb pipes and a public square for information.
Or
2. A curated community built for advertising where things that offend people are censored.
Right now tech has chosen option 2, but in answer to any regulation it doesn't like, it pretends it has chosen option 1 and loudly screams "free speech". Tech is trying to have its cake and eat it too. I think more and more people are becoming cynical that the tech companies really care about free speech as a principle, and so we will see more and more of these type of laws.
Re: A Copyright Vote That Could Change the EU’s Internet
#29Very bad reform. Among the other things, it makes any site directly responsible for every copyright violation of its users. For a change, this is as bad for big and small companies. Not even Facebook can policy all the posts of their users for words, pictures, sounds and videos. FB won't get a takedown notice, it could be sued directly.
Why is this a bad thing?
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Re: A Copyright Vote That Could Change the EU’s Internet
#30Very bad reform. Among the other things, it makes any site directly responsible for every copyright violation of its users. For a change, this is as bad for big and small companies. Not even Facebook can policy all the posts of their users for words, pictures, sounds and videos. FB won't get a takedown notice, it could be sued directly.
Why is this a bad thing?
I'm as happy as anyone to screw over Facebook, but this is actually really bad.
I run a forum with ~1000 users. It costs us ~$60 a month and the corporate infrastructure is me and one other guy. If we were vulnerable to actually being sued for an infringement on a user's part, we would probably just have to shut down; neither of us is up for running a legal battle.
Luckily we're US, not EU, but presumably there are small forum/blog operators in the EU as well.