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Re: Apple's brewing shitstorm

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Post by dasil003 »

gamble wrote: post #19
dieterrams wrote: post #3

Apple's done a crappy job dealing with the antenna fallout. At the same time, the press and other attention seekers are blowing this way out of proportion. I've seen some compare the iPhone 4's antenna issues to Toyota's accelerator disaster (which I always suspected was largely manufactured by the press and politicians), demanding a recall. That's just hilarious. At worst, they should give out free bumpers until the…

Apple is like Toyota in the sense that the media and public hold them to higher standards than other companies. Dell was hit with a class-action for selling millions known-defective computers - how long did that stay in the news? Ditto for Greenpeace's criticisms of Apple's environmental policies. Are other manufacturers worse? Obviously, but no one cares.

The public just likes to see the top dogs fall. I'm not sure if this is an American phenomenon or if it extends to the rest of the world.

In the case of Apple especially (though it probably applies to Toyota to some extent), there is definitely a strong contingent of Apple haters who are perpetually annoyed by Apple-product-owner smugness. Even though the actual smugness is probably greatly exaggerated, and the perception of which often seems to be tinged with an unacknowledged envy.

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Post by dieterrams »

dkarl wrote: post #15
dieterrams wrote: post #3

Apple's done a crappy job dealing with the antenna fallout. At the same time, the press and other attention seekers are blowing this way out of proportion. I've seen some compare the iPhone 4's antenna issues to Toyota's accelerator disaster (which I always suspected was largely manufactured by the press and politicians), demanding a recall. That's just hilarious. At worst, they should give out free bumpers until the…

I've seen some compare the iPhone 4's antenna issues to Toyota's accelerator disaster That would be grossly unfair to Toyota. There's a measurable and reproducible problem with the iPhone 4.

True. But the people making that analogy are attempting to transfer the life-threatening gravity of faulty cars onto, well, an antenna. The gross unfairness goes both ways.

Re: Apple's brewing shitstorm

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Post by risotto »

What happened to "all PR is good PR"?

I don't have real numbers, but 3 weeks into the launch, more than 2 million phones have been sold. How many have been returned? Versus how many people that want one don't have one yet?

What's the new Android phone again? All this Apple talk is drowning out all other phone news. If I think back really hard, the EVO launch was met with bitching about poor battery life. Lots of "not recommends" from reviews. But nobody feels any passion towards HTC to call for a class action lawsuit.

And my friend that has an EVO loves it. It's a sweet phone. I love my iPhone 4. My girlfriend still loves her iPhone 3G. All these phones are sweet, it's a good time for gadget lovers.

I'm sure Apple doesn't want this, but it really doesn't matter to them. A software update will come out soon that will shine more light on the problem. A hardware revision will come out probably sooner than later now with a sensible exchange policy. Apple's customer service is impeccable.

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Post by pohl »

philwelch wrote: post #17
dieterrams wrote: post #3

Apple's done a crappy job dealing with the antenna fallout. At the same time, the press and other attention seekers are blowing this way out of proportion. I've seen some compare the iPhone 4's antenna issues to Toyota's accelerator disaster (which I always suspected was largely manufactured by the press and politicians), demanding a recall. That's just hilarious. At worst, they should give out free bumpers until the…

"for all its improvements, it's a big step back ergonomically" The funny thing about handheld devices is that we each have different hands. Double-fisting both of my iPhones right now, the 4 feels a lot better in my hand. If you have bigger hands with me this probably isn't true for you, though.

I was reading this thread on my 4, and when I read your comment I looked to see how I was grasping the device: in landscape mode, pinched between my thumb (below) and middle finger (above). I was scrolling with the index finger on the same hand. The old design was poor for a 1-hand, 2-finger grip like that. I wouldn't want to go back.

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Post by marknutter »

dieterrams wrote: post #3

Apple's done a crappy job dealing with the antenna fallout. At the same time, the press and other attention seekers are blowing this way out of proportion. I've seen some compare the iPhone 4's antenna issues to Toyota's accelerator disaster (which I always suspected was largely manufactured by the press and politicians), demanding a recall. That's just hilarious. At worst, they should give out free bumpers until the…

How is it a big step back ergonomically?

Re: Apple's brewing shitstorm

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Post by marknutter »

keltex wrote: post #20
w1ntermute wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the Bing cache took a long time to load, so here's the full text: Apple's brewing shitstorm By Dave Winer on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 at 5:28 PM. I've been lucky to be in the middle of a number of Internet shitstorms in my life. They've been absolutely surreal, unfair, cruel. No one will listen to your side of the story. People you thought were friends join the pile-on. Etc etc. And then it passes, and eventuall…

If possible, please edit out "Permanent link to this item in the archive." at the end of each paragraph.

That's just the author asking you to commit the paragraph to memory.

Re: Apple's brewing shitstorm

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Post by jsm386 »

dieterrams wrote: post #3

Apple's done a crappy job dealing with the antenna fallout. At the same time, the press and other attention seekers are blowing this way out of proportion. I've seen some compare the iPhone 4's antenna issues to Toyota's accelerator disaster (which I always suspected was largely manufactured by the press and politicians), demanding a recall. That's just hilarious. At worst, they should give out free bumpers until the…

Well it looks like they are about to finally do something more: http://www.loopinsight.com/2010/07/14/apple-to-hold-special-...

Re: Apple's brewing shitstorm

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Post by webginja »

Denial and hesitation seems to be Apple's modus operandi (they aren't the only ones).

As a software developer the bit about their algorithm for determining signal strength is absolutely ridiculous. IMO they probably released an update that actually faked your signal strength in order to cover up the crap antenna. That sounds more reasonable to me.

Remember back when Snow Leopard was deleting user data if you used the guest account? Refresher here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-10373064-260.html.

Does anyone remember how long it took apple to solve that problem? It was despicable and completely disrespectful.

IF Microsoft had the same issue with Windows they would have patched it overnight; not waiting to fix things with the same time table that BP uses to stop an oil leak.

I'm a linux user (#!) and I also own a mac. I use windows professionally for my job. Things do not "just work" on a mac. If you think so then IMHO you're not using much of your OS.

In the end I would choose Linux, Windows , then OSX. I used to claim that Apple's hardware was superior, but never again.

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