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Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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I can't believe how far the electrical engineer ghostwriter has taken this online persona. If anyone's ever been to the hacker meetups in ShenZhen when "Naomi Wu" first started making these videos, you'd see someone lurking in the corner.

It's getting kind of ridiculous where this guy gets Patreon every month now..

[0]: http://sexycyborgisaliar.blogspot.com/2017/05/naomi-sexy-cyb...

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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post #4

> For Chinese, this means you think you know better than a professional, than experts. It’s the act of seeing something and saying “why don’t they do this instead?”. Traditionally, this is viewed as extremely arrogant and certainly not something to be encouraged in children or anyone else. > Simply put, in a strictly hierarchical society, proposing a solution missed by your superiors is at the very least perceived as…

Speaking from direct experience in the west, pretty much contemporary Google.

In Seattle, a similar phrase I've heard is "I've invested quite a bit of ego in X" when one challenges assumptions about X.

All IMO of course...

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They call it WhatsApp. It has more users than WeChat. For every successful social network or similar in everywhere but China there is a chinese clone whose main feature is that it spies on it's users for the government. It's not innovation, it's a bizarre Orwellian AOL portal maintained through first regulation then force.

That's reductionist to the point of absurdity. WeChat does far more than WhatsApp. I'd say it certainly started off aping others, but WeChat has now grown into a substantially more innovative platform.

Yes, it's AOL, powered with guns and tanks. You are making my point.

It's all in the one app because there is the state in the background intervening to make it so. But dictatorships are not market validation.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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Since we are on the topic of idiom, this one rings true: “The nail that sticks out gets hammered down”. Unless you’re the boss of the company you rarely stand to profit from problem solving or creative thinking — and usually speaking up will be detrimental to you in some way.

Are American companies that different? The few places I've worked software engineers didn't get bonuses, only the people in sales did. Software engineers are seen as a resource.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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Since we are on the topic of idiom, this one rings true: “The nail that sticks out gets hammered down”. Unless you’re the boss of the company you rarely stand to profit from problem solving or creative thinking — and usually speaking up will be detrimental to you in some way. Are American companies that different? The few places I've worked software engineers didn't get bonuses, only the people in sales did. Software…

Depends where you work? Yearly bonuses seem pretty common in Silicon Valley. (Or other compensation like stock options.)

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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post #21

I can't believe how far the electrical engineer ghostwriter has taken this online persona. If anyone's ever been to the hacker meetups in ShenZhen when "Naomi Wu" first started making these videos, you'd see someone lurking in the corner. It's getting kind of ridiculous where this guy gets Patreon every month now.. [0]: http://sexycyborgisaliar.blogspot.com/2017/05/naomi-sexy-cyb...

Isn't that article about you?

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely it's not true everywhere. Most of us have known plenty of Chinese engineers who are unafraid to report bugs and suggest solutions. But in the broad sense you mean: yeah, kinda. Chinese companies (in the PRC in particular of course, but also outfits the stem from Hong Kong and Taiwan) tend not to be particularly innovative. It's a lagging market, filled with well-implemented but fundamentally cloned products fi…

> but there are no chinese Googles or Samsungs There is no american or european WeChat.

I guess. There's no one app, but nothing that WeChat does is serving a market that didn't exist in the west first. It's a triumph of integration, not so much innovation.

So... sure. In some sense that makes it an exception that proves the rule. If China can be successful with WeChat where is its Tesla or Pfizer or Intel or Fujitsu or...

I mean, there are times where a single counterexample can disprove a point. I don't know that this is one of them.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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post #6
post #4

> For Chinese, this means you think you know better than a professional, than experts. It’s the act of seeing something and saying “why don’t they do this instead?”. Traditionally, this is viewed as extremely arrogant and certainly not something to be encouraged in children or anyone else. > Simply put, in a strictly hierarchical society, proposing a solution missed by your superiors is at the very least perceived as…

Surely it's not true everywhere. Most of us have known plenty of Chinese engineers who are unafraid to report bugs and suggest solutions. But in the broad sense you mean: yeah, kinda. Chinese companies (in the PRC in particular of course, but also outfits the stem from Hong Kong and Taiwan) tend not to be particularly innovative. It's a lagging market, filled with well-implemented but fundamentally cloned products fi…

Uh, Huawei?

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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post #26
post #21

I can't believe how far the electrical engineer ghostwriter has taken this online persona. If anyone's ever been to the hacker meetups in ShenZhen when "Naomi Wu" first started making these videos, you'd see someone lurking in the corner. It's getting kind of ridiculous where this guy gets Patreon every month now.. [0]: http://sexycyborgisaliar.blogspot.com/2017/05/naomi-sexy-cyb...

Isn't that article about you?

pretty sure hn user timaz != reddit user timaz. I'd bet hn user timaz is the author of the blog post ("Brianna Wu").

I don't really care about the provenance of the work; it's a well-written article on tech in China. If it's a team of a western engineer and a local Chinese person (who happens to be far more attractive/better presenter, probably), I'm fine with that.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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post #6
post #4

> For Chinese, this means you think you know better than a professional, than experts. It’s the act of seeing something and saying “why don’t they do this instead?”. Traditionally, this is viewed as extremely arrogant and certainly not something to be encouraged in children or anyone else. > Simply put, in a strictly hierarchical society, proposing a solution missed by your superiors is at the very least perceived as…

Surely it's not true everywhere. Most of us have known plenty of Chinese engineers who are unafraid to report bugs and suggest solutions. But in the broad sense you mean: yeah, kinda. Chinese companies (in the PRC in particular of course, but also outfits the stem from Hong Kong and Taiwan) tend not to be particularly innovative. It's a lagging market, filled with well-implemented but fundamentally cloned products fi…

Samsung is a strange choice of example. It also mostly follows a "well made clone" business model and Korean work culture isn't much different from Chinese.
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