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Re: Berlin Is Becoming a Sponge City [video]

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Post by cobookman »

throwawayknecht wrote: post #17
s3nnyy wrote: post #14

Nice project, it makes Berlin appear like a progressive, nice place to live. But actually it has so many problems that should be solved first before even thinking about things like this. For instance total failure to integrate the Muslim minority, increasing racism against Jews (Men usually wear a baseball-cap over the Kippah in public due to fear of being beaten up), prices that double each 7-10 years while salaries…

> increasing racism against Jews This is true. > Men usually wear a baseball-cap over the Kippah in public But this is right-wing bullshit. The rise in anti-Semitic crimes is used by Pegida to stir up fear of refugees, Muslims, and Islam, and it's also used by Netanyahu and the Israeli / Jewish right to encourage immigration to Israel. The reality is that the rise in anti-Semitism begins in 2014, prior to the refugee…

He never said refugees. I'd also comment France and other eu countries have done no better with their newer Muslim populations

Re: Berlin Is Becoming a Sponge City [video]

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Post by lorenzfx »

cobookman wrote: post #21
throwawayknecht wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> increasing racism against Jews This is true. > Men usually wear a baseball-cap over the Kippah in public But this is right-wing bullshit. The rise in anti-Semitic crimes is used by Pegida to stir up fear of refugees, Muslims, and Islam, and it's also used by Netanyahu and the Israeli / Jewish right to encourage immigration to Israel. The reality is that the rise in anti-Semitism begins in 2014, prior to the refugee…

He never said refugees. I'd also comment France and other eu countries have done no better with their newer Muslim populations

This study [0] (sorry it's in German, English reporting on it: [1, 2]) supports your claim that integration is more or less equally bad across the studied countries. Different countries fail at different aspects of it.

[0] http://www.bertelsmann-stiftung.de/fileadmin/files/BSt/Publi...

[1] https://www.thelocal.de/20170824/integration-of-muslims-bett...

[2] http://www.politico.eu/article/muslims-integrate-in-europe-d...

EDIT: originally I misread that OP claimed that other countries did better, changed wording accordingly

Re: Berlin Is Becoming a Sponge City [video]

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Post by spraak »

onjgdch wrote: post #23
doener wrote: post #18

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15128428

What a shitty comment. Who cares about your submission? He won the front page lottery. Deal with it, don't passive-aggressively link to yours.

You're somewhat right, but still assuming/inferring a lot into their comment. And you weren't very kind about it.

Re: Berlin Is Becoming a Sponge City [video]

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Post by zerohm »

jorleif wrote: post #7

These kinds of techniques are often claimed to be effective against flash floods, which makes sense since they slow down water transfer to rivers. Does anyone know any studies about how effective it could be against seriously heavy precipitation of the scale of Harvey or South Asia floods right now? In other words, how well does the approach scale?

I remember a demonstration from my childhood where water is released into 2 similar models. One model is dry, one model is wet. The water quickly overtakes the dry model and splashes on the other side (as in a flash flood). On the wet model, water takes longer to make it to the other side. Sort of how a wet sponge is far more absorbent than a dry sponge.

I know I didn't really answer your question, but these models were made to represent fields and swamps. So yes, I believe there are lots of studies on large scale effects.

Re: Berlin Is Becoming a Sponge City [video]

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Post by KGIII »

gizmo wrote: post #19
s3nnyy wrote: post #14

Nice project, it makes Berlin appear like a progressive, nice place to live. But actually it has so many problems that should be solved first before even thinking about things like this. For instance total failure to integrate the Muslim minority, increasing racism against Jews (Men usually wear a baseball-cap over the Kippah in public due to fear of being beaten up), prices that double each 7-10 years while salaries…

Your argument is a total non-sequitur. Work to make a city more ecologically friendly is completely independent from whatever social problems there are. You can use this argument to oppose literally anything except for whatever issue is from your perspective the most important. You can't govern a city this way. Your claim about salaries staying the same is plainly false. See for instance https://tradingeconomics.com/…

Their post is also a fallacy of relative privation, IIRC. It's been years since debate club, but I think that's the name. 'There's kids starving in Africa!'

Re: Berlin Is Becoming a Sponge City [video]

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Post by elliotec »

lorenzfx wrote: post #22
cobookman wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He never said refugees. I'd also comment France and other eu countries have done no better with their newer Muslim populations

This study [0] (sorry it's in German, English reporting on it: [1, 2]) supports your claim that integration is more or less equally bad across the studied countries. Different countries fail at different aspects of it. [0] http://www.bertelsmann-stiftung.de/fileadmin/files/BSt/Publi... [1] https://www.thelocal.de/20170824/integration-of-muslims-bett... [2] http://www.politico.eu/article/muslims-integrate-in-europe-d.…

You're proving the parent's point. They said those EU countries do NO better.

Re: Berlin Is Becoming a Sponge City [video]

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Post by s3nnyy »

gizmo wrote: post #19
s3nnyy wrote: post #14

Nice project, it makes Berlin appear like a progressive, nice place to live. But actually it has so many problems that should be solved first before even thinking about things like this. For instance total failure to integrate the Muslim minority, increasing racism against Jews (Men usually wear a baseball-cap over the Kippah in public due to fear of being beaten up), prices that double each 7-10 years while salaries…

Your argument is a total non-sequitur. Work to make a city more ecologically friendly is completely independent from whatever social problems there are. You can use this argument to oppose literally anything except for whatever issue is from your perspective the most important. You can't govern a city this way. Your claim about salaries staying the same is plainly false. See for instance https://tradingeconomics.com/…

I never said anything about inflation. Here example: Octoberfest-beer-prices doubled since 2002 (introduction of €) (https://t.co/Y2tMS4h623), while wages only rose 25% (http://www.bpb.de/nachschlagen/zahlen-und-fakten/soziale-sit...).

Re: Berlin Is Becoming a Sponge City [video]

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Post by s3nnyy »

KGIII wrote: post #27
gizmo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your argument is a total non-sequitur. Work to make a city more ecologically friendly is completely independent from whatever social problems there are. You can use this argument to oppose literally anything except for whatever issue is from your perspective the most important. You can't govern a city this way. Your claim about salaries staying the same is plainly false. See for instance https://tradingeconomics.com/…

Their post is also a fallacy of relative privation, IIRC. It's been years since debate club, but I think that's the name. 'There's kids starving in Africa!'

Agree my argument is partly a "fallacy of relative privation" but at least it's still about Berlin.
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