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Re: Everything You Already Know About SEO

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Post by teej »

nerme wrote: post #19

Anecdotal evidence: My band's website is the highest ranked page for the search term "red blue yellow". No meta headers, no keywords, no , no ... nothing, not even or tags. In fact, the only HTML is a tag containing ASCII art and a link to our Facebook page. I mean this quite literally, view the source. However, it has been linked to from other sites quite frequently in recent weeks. It would seem that Google doesn't…

I find SEOmoz's "black box breakdown" really insightful on SEO. 4 out of 5 of their top factors are all related to inbound links. On page details factor in very little comparatively.

http://www.seomoz.org/article/search-ranking-factors

Re: Everything You Already Know About SEO

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Post by Concours »

enjo wrote: post #17

So the author makes the supposition that Flash contributes to low ranking (in that the content is not indexed). Google most definitely crawls flash (in some fashion) at this point... I'm curious, does anyone have any idea how that content ranks compared to good old fashioned mark-up? Is it 1:1? Is it harder to rank with flash content? I really have no idea.

SEO for flash is very complex, mostly based on tips and tricks. The easiest way to go is external links with anchors +the basics html optimisation. If you are serious about it, Adobe has partnered with the search engines to make flash content discoverable (Ichabod), some peoples (Damien Bianchi) suggest developers to create XML and video sitemaps along with an HTML sitemap for websites, reading this article may help you : http://www.adobe.com/devnet/seo/articles/checklist_ria.html , I hope this helps.

Re: Everything You Already Know About SEO

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Post by landyman »

enjo wrote: post #17

So the author makes the supposition that Flash contributes to low ranking (in that the content is not indexed). Google most definitely crawls flash (in some fashion) at this point... I'm curious, does anyone have any idea how that content ranks compared to good old fashioned mark-up? Is it 1:1? Is it harder to rank with flash content? I really have no idea.

It depends on the site and the terms people are searching for. Inbound Links can make a site rank highly for some searches, even when the entire page content is Flash and has no other content on it. But, to rank for all the terms you want, having Flash content only will not work.

Re: Everything You Already Know About SEO

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Post by landyman »

mcantor wrote: post #2

[citation needed] Seriously though, despite how anecdotal this page is, it gave me some food for thought. Does Google really care about how far in the future I have registered my domains? I'd love a source on that.

It is there because Google outlined it in a Patent: http://bit.ly/akczok -- see [0099]

I honestly think that they do not really use this signal though, and if they do, it's so far down in their algorithm that most searches will never use it. I've had domains that are only registered for 1 year that rank just fine.

Re: Everything You Already Know About SEO

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Post by mgcross »

enjo wrote: post #17

So the author makes the supposition that Flash contributes to low ranking (in that the content is not indexed). Google most definitely crawls flash (in some fashion) at this point... I'm curious, does anyone have any idea how that content ranks compared to good old fashioned mark-up? Is it 1:1? Is it harder to rank with flash content? I really have no idea.

I always use swfobject.js and include alternate html content for flash-only sites. Google will pick up the alternate content rather than crawl the flash, from what I gather. A few years ago, before I included alt content, Google was indexing content like movie clip instance names in addition to the contents of static text boxes.

Re: Everything You Already Know About SEO

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Post by nostromo »

code_duck wrote: post #12
mcantor wrote: post #2

[citation needed] Seriously though, despite how anecdotal this page is, it gave me some food for thought. Does Google really care about how far in the future I have registered my domains? I'd love a source on that.

Google thinks about all sorts of things that have never been related to reality, or have ceased to be accurate because they are being heavily gamed. Then, to adapt to SEO gaming, they start to ignore things that were once or are potentially useful. I loathe the entire system.

No kidding. And remember, if you're doing good in search, they can destroy you overnight. I have a nonprofit wiki where people can share code, and about a month ago my search traffic dropped 95% for no reason. I've never done SEO on this site -- it doesn't even have ads or links for christ's sake. I submitted a reinclusion request which was "processed" - but nothing has changed.

The Google gave, and the Google hath taken away.

Re: Everything You Already Know About SEO

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Post by ddemchuk »

kadavy wrote: post #20
nerme wrote: post #19

Anecdotal evidence: My band's website is the highest ranked page for the search term "red blue yellow". No meta headers, no keywords, no , no ... nothing, not even or tags. In fact, the only HTML is a tag containing ASCII art and a link to our Facebook page. I mean this quite literally, view the source. However, it has been linked to from other sites quite frequently in recent weeks. It would seem that Google doesn't…

Yeah, wouldn't say they penalize , but since your site actually is at the URL of redyellowblue.com, and there are other sites (probably with some authority) linking to it, it doesn't surprise me that it would rank highly. Additionally, I doubt there is much competition for this keyphrase. It has a global monthly search volume of 1,600.

I can't upvote this enough. ranking for red blue yellow is a trivial example on its own, but with an exact match domain, it's hard to NOT rank for it

Re: Everything You Already Know About SEO

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Re: Everything You Already Know About SEO

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Post by InfinityX0 »

kadavy wrote: post #20
nerme wrote: post #19

Anecdotal evidence: My band's website is the highest ranked page for the search term "red blue yellow". No meta headers, no keywords, no , no ... nothing, not even or tags. In fact, the only HTML is a tag containing ASCII art and a link to our Facebook page. I mean this quite literally, view the source. However, it has been linked to from other sites quite frequently in recent weeks. It would seem that Google doesn't…

Yeah, wouldn't say they penalize , but since your site actually is at the URL of redyellowblue.com, and there are other sites (probably with some authority) linking to it, it doesn't surprise me that it would rank highly. Additionally, I doubt there is much competition for this keyphrase. It has a global monthly search volume of 1,600.

I should not that there is no way in hell this has a global monthly search volume of 1,600. Google Adwords lists it at 1,600 probably, which means that the actual numbers are more like 100.

You have to remember Google is inflating these numbers for their own gain - being increased PPC spend, of course.

Who in their right mind would search for "red yellow blue"?

Re: Everything You Already Know About SEO

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Post by detst »

InfinityX0 wrote: post #29
kadavy wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, wouldn't say they penalize , but since your site actually is at the URL of redyellowblue.com, and there are other sites (probably with some authority) linking to it, it doesn't surprise me that it would rank highly. Additionally, I doubt there is much competition for this keyphrase. It has a global monthly search volume of 1,600.

I should not that there is no way in hell this has a global monthly search volume of 1,600. Google Adwords lists it at 1,600 probably, which means that the actual numbers are more like 100. You have to remember Google is inflating these numbers for their own gain - being increased PPC spend, of course. Who in their right mind would search for "red yellow blue"?

> Who in their right mind would search for "red yellow blue"?

People searching for the band, the "primary color triad in a standard artist's color wheel"[1], or maybe an artist entering random colors because they're bored and want to see what they can find. Since I just learned about the band, I'm sure there are many other reasons that I haven't thought of.

I'm surprised it's not more. Can you substantiate your claims?

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RYB_color_model (second result)

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