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Re: This was a triumph.

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Post by jorgeortiz85 »

blhack wrote: post #15
JesseAldridge wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of 8 million active users. So 0.075% donated. About one donation per thousand users.

Whoa whoa whoa, I don't think reddit has even close to 8 million active users. I'd say much closer to about 100,000. The announcement section, which is included by default, and low traffic enough that I doubt anybody unsubscribes, has 300,000 users. Even if they're retaining 30% of their users (and keeping them as active), that still isn't even close to 8 million.

Most reddit users probably don't have accounts.

Re: This was a triumph.

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Post by JesseAldridge »

blhack wrote: post #15
JesseAldridge wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of 8 million active users. So 0.075% donated. About one donation per thousand users.

Whoa whoa whoa, I don't think reddit has even close to 8 million active users. I'd say much closer to about 100,000. The announcement section, which is included by default, and low traffic enough that I doubt anybody unsubscribes, has 300,000 users. Even if they're retaining 30% of their users (and keeping them as active), that still isn't even close to 8 million.

Hmm, good point. The 8 million number comes from the blog post. Maybe the vast majority of people who visit the site don't bother to create an account?

Re: This was a triumph.

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Post by philwelch »

mahmud wrote: post #5
lispygem wrote: post #2

Don't you think they should be showing comments from "gold" users differently? Kind of like what PG did a while ago using different colors highlight distinguished users...

That would be their undoing. The last thing egalitarian reddit needs is a class system. Or maybe I am wrong, Slashdot has been starring their paid subscribes for ages, but I am not sure reddit wants to stoop to slashdot levels.

/. has had editing problems, but the comment quality has not, to my experience, dipped that low. It's not as high as HN, but it hasn't dipped that low, either.

HN and /. are on opposite ends of a spectrum--HN is what happens before the trolls arrive, given you seed the community well, and /. is what happens after the trolls leave.

Re: This was a triumph.

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Post by prawn »

blhack wrote: post #13
demoon wrote: post #8

Congrats to reddit team, despite some frequent "this is not reddit" remarks here on HN I still love that community. Out of curiosity I just checked compete.com and was disappointed to learn that Digg is approximately 8 times as big, lets hope that's the measurement error.

> Digg is approximately 8 times as big, lets hope that's the measurement error. Could somebody please explain this sentiment to me? I feel like all the "cool kids" are constantly falling over one another to talk about who hates digg the most. Is there some trove of horrible things that Kevin Rose has done floating around somewhere or something? I used to watch diggnation every week, and he genuinely seemed like an in…

Only ever looked at Digg a few times and only at Reddit because HN has linked there a bit, but I'm wondering if the Digg hate is more a dislike of the broader community than the owner himself?

I know in the times I visited in the early days, those commenting were mostly pretty hapless and predictable.

Other than that, any success attracts haters.

Re: This was a triumph.

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Post by codexon »

blhack wrote: post #13
demoon wrote: post #8

Congrats to reddit team, despite some frequent "this is not reddit" remarks here on HN I still love that community. Out of curiosity I just checked compete.com and was disappointed to learn that Digg is approximately 8 times as big, lets hope that's the measurement error.

> Digg is approximately 8 times as big, lets hope that's the measurement error. Could somebody please explain this sentiment to me? I feel like all the "cool kids" are constantly falling over one another to talk about who hates digg the most. Is there some trove of horrible things that Kevin Rose has done floating around somewhere or something? I used to watch diggnation every week, and he genuinely seemed like an in…

Why so much hate for him?

Not so much hate for him as hate for how his website has de-evolved. Early on, it was much like Slashdot or HN. When he started introducing features that benefited power-users, your chances of getting your own stories dropped to 0 while the front page was filled with Cracked-like "top-10" lists.

They also have a whitelist of domains that can show up on the front page which turns digg into an rss feed of those sites and the occasional Reddit story that a poweruser feels like copying.

http://soshable.com/digg-whitelisted-sites/

Re: This was a triumph.

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Post by btmorex »

philwelch wrote: post #23
mahmud wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be their undoing. The last thing egalitarian reddit needs is a class system. Or maybe I am wrong, Slashdot has been starring their paid subscribes for ages, but I am not sure reddit wants to stoop to slashdot levels.

/. has had editing problems, but the comment quality has not, to my experience, dipped that low. It's not as high as HN, but it hasn't dipped that low, either. HN and /. are on opposite ends of a spectrum--HN is what happens before the trolls arrive, given you seed the community well, and /. is what happens after the trolls leave.

I always though the biggest problem with slashdot was that the moderation somehow lead to an extremely insular community. There was a prevailing "slashdot" opinion and that was pretty much the only opinion expressed in highly moderated comments. I was a reader for years and that's pretty much why I left.

What's strange is that slashdot moderation isn't that different from any other site, but for whatever reason, I think it hurt slashdot far more than any other site. Maybe, it's just that by default not that many comments are displayed as opposed to reddit or hn, so it's all the more noticeable when the top 20 or so comments all are basically the same.

Re: This was a triumph.

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Post by paul9290 »

codexon wrote: post #25
blhack wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Digg is approximately 8 times as big, lets hope that's the measurement error. Could somebody please explain this sentiment to me? I feel like all the "cool kids" are constantly falling over one another to talk about who hates digg the most. Is there some trove of horrible things that Kevin Rose has done floating around somewhere or something? I used to watch diggnation every week, and he genuinely seemed like an in…

Why so much hate for him? Not so much hate for him as hate for how his website has de-evolved. Early on, it was much like Slashdot or HN. When he started introducing features that benefited power-users, your chances of getting your own stories dropped to 0 while the front page was filled with Cracked-like "top-10" lists. They also have a whitelist of domains that can show up on the front page which turns digg into an…

Once a site gets huge like Digg then the trolls and monkeys of the Internet come in and ruin everything. At least that is why I stop reading digg in late 2007.

Re: This was a triumph.

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Post by jsz0 »

demoon wrote: post #8

Congrats to reddit team, despite some frequent "this is not reddit" remarks here on HN I still love that community. Out of curiosity I just checked compete.com and was disappointed to learn that Digg is approximately 8 times as big, lets hope that's the measurement error.

Reddit's community might be a liability for pure traffic numbers. I don't think an outsider is going to be as interested in the content as a community member is. Add more people and the content will change drastically and probably no longer appeal to the core community. Then you've just got another Digg. They'd be better off trying to stay small.

Re: This was a triumph.

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Post by tkahn6 »

blhack wrote: post #13
demoon wrote: post #8

Congrats to reddit team, despite some frequent "this is not reddit" remarks here on HN I still love that community. Out of curiosity I just checked compete.com and was disappointed to learn that Digg is approximately 8 times as big, lets hope that's the measurement error.

> Digg is approximately 8 times as big, lets hope that's the measurement error. Could somebody please explain this sentiment to me? I feel like all the "cool kids" are constantly falling over one another to talk about who hates digg the most. Is there some trove of horrible things that Kevin Rose has done floating around somewhere or something? I used to watch diggnation every week, and he genuinely seemed like an in…

Digg is compared to reddit because they are nearly identical in their function.

Digg is about comments as much as reddit is. It just so happens that the comments on reddit are slightly more intelligent and Digg is more commercialized.

My opinion about Digg has nothing to do with Kevin Rose nor is it because "all the cool kids" think so too. The communities surrounding Digg and reddit are ideologically identical to icanhazcheeseburger's. The core of the communities are founded on populism and memes.

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