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Facebook – You are the Product

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Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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Post by fosco »

akeck wrote: post #6

I wonder if, in the future, being able not to be on any social media will be an higher class privilege.

I wondered this awhile back. albeit I took it in a different direction...

I think that social media already gives you opportunities to do things when you login with your social media account. I think in the future (and probably already happening) you get discounts for sharing your social media data and that higher classes (or wealthier people) can afford to not share that information which is why they will not use it. I do not think it will get to the point like it did in 15 million merits (see Black Mirror episode) but something along those lines, specifically money allows you to save time and 'purchase' privacy by not having to use these things that require your privacy in order to use because you can afford not to.

note: I deleted my facebook in 2008. I lost touch with a number of people, but the time I saved has been immeasurable.

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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Post by Steer »

ForRealsies wrote: post #11
akeck wrote: post #6

I wonder if, in the future, being able not to be on any social media will be an higher class privilege.

Agreed. Physical privacy (gated communities, SFH's) have long been a higher class privilege. If you're elite enough you can buy part of a Hawaiian island.

Would the future then not hold social media that were invite-only in some way?

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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Post by yojo »

ForRealsies wrote: post #11
akeck wrote: post #6

I wonder if, in the future, being able not to be on any social media will be an higher class privilege.

Agreed. Physical privacy (gated communities, SFH's) have long been a higher class privilege. If you're elite enough you can buy part of a Hawaiian island.

A large part - 97% per https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanai

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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Post by gasof »

Steer wrote: post #22
ForRealsies wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Physical privacy (gated communities, SFH's) have long been a higher class privilege. If you're elite enough you can buy part of a Hawaiian island.

Would the future then not hold social media that were invite-only in some way?

It's already there, it's called "an email server".

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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Post by rditooait »

sametmax wrote: post #9

I read more and more articles and comments about things we've been saying for years. How come you wake up now and say that like it's a surprise ?

I agree that this particular article probably doesn't introduce any new ideas into conversation. However, I think it's important to continue dialogue on methods of action to combat this phenomenon. Realistically, while there are more and more articles and comments like this, the fact of the matter is that Facebook's growth and monetization is not slowing at an appreciable rate at all, and their methods have not substantially changed (if anything, they have changed for the worse as they concentrate more and more on monetization).

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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Post by hk__2 »

sidcool wrote: post #4
noncoml wrote: post #2

It's been years since I deleted my Facebook account, I do use WhatsApp though, and I don't feel like I am missing up on anything.

Most people I know dislike FB. But there are hundreds of millions out there for whom FB had become an addiction. B

Research shows that most people use FB to keep in touch with their close friends and family. I don’t think it’s bad to be addicted to that.

Edit: Some references for the people who downvoted:

     http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0193397308000701 (also talks about how FB is a good help for people with low self-esteem)
     http://www.cairn.info/revue-sociologie-2017-1-p-57.htm (French)
     http://www.cairn.info/revue-sociologie-2017-1-p-83.htm (French, talks about how people in their 40s use FB - spoiler: to keep in touch with close friends and family)
     http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.socnet.2014.01.002
     http://www.pewinternet.org/2013/05/21/teens-social-media-and-privacy/

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Post by chickenfries »

bauerd wrote: post #16
edison85 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it actually possible to keep messenger without Facebook? Because Facebook is a complete time wasting, spam filled, mind dulling echo chamber platform that I keep going back to due to habit. If I log out or deactivate I completely don't care after a few days, but messenger is essential to me.

Yes, and I didn't know that either until I tried it out. My regular FB account is "deactivated", but Messenger works just fine. They seem to have decoupled both products some time ago.

Wait, that's awesome. I've been using news feed eradicator but now you're telling me that I can delete my Facebook account and still have a messenger account?

Does that messenger account work for "sign in with facebook" buttons? For example, the only way to authenticate with Tinder is a Facebook account.

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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Post by bauerd »

chickenfries wrote: post #27
bauerd wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and I didn't know that either until I tried it out. My regular FB account is "deactivated", but Messenger works just fine. They seem to have decoupled both products some time ago.

Wait, that's awesome. I've been using news feed eradicator but now you're telling me that I can delete my Facebook account and still have a messenger account? Does that messenger account work for "sign in with facebook" buttons? For example, the only way to authenticate with Tinder is a Facebook account.

No, you can't use the Messenger account for authentication. At least for Tinder I can confirm it doesn't work, maybe there's an OAuth provider for Messenger that no one uses, idk

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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Post by seanp2k2 »

Steer wrote: post #22
ForRealsies wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Physical privacy (gated communities, SFH's) have long been a higher class privilege. If you're elite enough you can buy part of a Hawaiian island.

Would the future then not hold social media that were invite-only in some way?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2...
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