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Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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The weird part is they arent doing it for political reasons, this is to protect the image of their corporation. But we havent been told that. There is so much obfuscation of the truth in politics, I am constantly amazed and dismayed at the same time.

How could you distinguish between "images" and "moral courage" in an environment that practically demand you to do so?

You don't.

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post #19

The weird part is they arent doing it for political reasons, this is to protect the image of their corporation. But we havent been told that. There is so much obfuscation of the truth in politics, I am constantly amazed and dismayed at the same time.

We're at peak activism today and corporations are the primary targets. My guess is those CEO's were flooded by "concerned customers" who were probably as fake as so many twitter/facebook bots.

My guess is those CEO's were flooded by "concerned customers" who were probably as fake as so many twitter/facebook bots.

Thanks for adding this random made-up idea to the discussion.

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Pretty sure that's part of it, but I'm also sure most of these people/ceo's are definitely not closet Nazi's and they definitely don't want another Hitler to rise in America as that would definitely be bad for business...

In what ways has Trump done anything similar to Hitler?

Attacked the media and placed almost all the blame for American hardships on immigrants?

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Matt Levine says it best: "[..] but I have to confess that it seems odd to me to denounce Nazism out of fealty to shareholder value. You can just denounce Nazism because you're not a Nazi! This is a financial newsletter, but I have never assumed that the operations of capital are autonomous and self-executing, or that executives are robots who are programmed to maximize shareholder value to the exclusion of all other…

> I have never assumed that the operations of capital are autonomous and self-executing, or that executives are robots who are programmed to maximize shareholder value to the exclusion of all other considerations.

But that is how it works, right? If you don't maximize shareholder value you can be ousted, if you don't where others do you will lose in the marketplace and cease to exist. Isn't that competitive ruthlessness exactly what people like about our current system?

> Corporations exist in society, and are not above society's concerns. Businesses operate through human beings, who remain human even in their roles as CEOs. One would hope.

Citation needed, I guess. For mid-small size companies this might be the case, but evidence seems to point to the opposite of this for any organization large enough to be its own thing outside of the humans and subsystems that comprise its pieces.

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It was already clear that nothing of substance...was going to come out of this entire 4 year term... I think you meant to say..

Only if we're lucky. Repealing obamacare without a replacement came within a single vote.

True, but that carried a lot of Republican support and was not just a Trump initiative.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what ways has Trump done anything similar to Hitler?

Attacked the media and placed almost all the blame for American hardships on immigrants?

'so-called judges' is a terrifying precedent...

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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The weird part is they arent doing it for political reasons, this is to protect the image of their corporation. But we havent been told that. There is so much obfuscation of the truth in politics, I am constantly amazed and dismayed at the same time.

It's definitely political posturing/virtue signaling to customers. The big gripe is that Trump didn't explicitly call out white supremacists when denouncing hate and violence. The Sheriff explicitly stated that there was violent escalation from both the white supremacists and the antifa crowd. A single member of the white racist asshole group escalated the violence to the next level and someone got killed. I'm on board with explicitly calling out the white supremacists, but I think the reaction by the media is eye-rollingly inconsistent. They didn't hold anyone's feet to the fire when BLM killed cops, or antifa has previously escalated to violence. In short, this is fair criticism of Trump, but the scale of the response is kinda ridiculous. But also, I welcome the media to the club. Maybe we'll also get Islamic terrorists called out by their group identity too.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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In what ways has Trump done anything similar to Hitler?

Attacked the media and placed almost all the blame for American hardships on immigrants?

If you're suggesting that Hitler also placed all of the blame on immigrants, you must mistakenly believe that the Jewish people were immigrants to Germany and Nazi-occupied Europe. This was not the case. The Jewish victims of the Holocaust were targeted for being Jewish, not because they hadn't been born within certain borders.

Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands

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> You can believe that broad common ownership of the means of production can still foster competition, while also thinking that that common ownership should be allocated by capitalist methods.

I don't understand how this would work - anyone more economically versed care to chime in on how you could have common ownership of the means of production that was also distributed capitalistically?

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