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Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

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> No, there doesn't. Nazism had its chance. We fought a world war over it. As did Communism, and we fought a Cold War over that. A "white nationalist" (apparently) ran someone over with his car, while a communist is currently threatening to nuke the United States. Nuking a country has to be worse than running over a single person, right? If not, why not? Maybe next we can shut down all communist web sites. After the…

> As did Communism, and we fought a Cold War over that. You know this is a false equivalence - they're not even remotely comparable. > a communist is currently threatening to nuke the United States [...] has to be worse than running over a single person Again with the false equivalences. Also I don't think Kim Jong-Un is a Communist - they have collective farms, sure, but the country is much more a dictatorship than…

> You know this is a false equivalence - they're not even remotely comparable.

"False equivalence" how? Communists have murdered way more people than the Nazis ever did.

> Also I don't think Kim Jong-Un is a Communist - they have collective farms, sure, but the country is much more a dictatorship than anything.

Can you give me an example of a Communist country that isn't a dictatorship?

The "But that wasn't real communism!" argument doesn't fly any more.

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

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> As did Communism, and we fought a Cold War over that. You know this is a false equivalence - they're not even remotely comparable. > a communist is currently threatening to nuke the United States [...] has to be worse than running over a single person Again with the false equivalences. Also I don't think Kim Jong-Un is a Communist - they have collective farms, sure, but the country is much more a dictatorship than…

> You know this is a false equivalence - they're not even remotely comparable. "False equivalence" how? Communists have murdered way more people than the Nazis ever did. > Also I don't think Kim Jong-Un is a Communist - they have collective farms, sure, but the country is much more a dictatorship than anything. Can you give me an example of a Communist country that isn't a dictatorship? The "But that wasn't real comm…

How about china?

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

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What's next? 4chan? Wikileaks? Once a company starts down this path and shows it can be pushed to censor, where will it end?

Why "pushed" to censor? They have a TOS, they enforced it.

And I'd much rather have my social opprobrium doled out in the marketplace. Ideologies should absolutely have costs.

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

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> You know this is a false equivalence - they're not even remotely comparable. "False equivalence" how? Communists have murdered way more people than the Nazis ever did. > Also I don't think Kim Jong-Un is a Communist - they have collective farms, sure, but the country is much more a dictatorship than anything. Can you give me an example of a Communist country that isn't a dictatorship? The "But that wasn't real comm…

How about china?

Mao wasn't a dictator?

China has certainly made some significant steps away from dictatorship, though it's still damned authoritarian.

It's also made significant steps away from communism (I mean, it has billionaires and everything).

That's not a coincidence.

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

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What's next? 4chan? Wikileaks? Once a company starts down this path and shows it can be pushed to censor, where will it end?

Why "pushed" to censor? They have a TOS, they enforced it. And I'd much rather have my social opprobrium doled out in the marketplace. Ideologies should absolutely have costs.

Did this TOS magically appear overnight? GoDaddy has been hosting this website a very long time. This wasn't an ideological decision by them, it was a business decision. If it was a TOS violation that would've happened a long time ago.

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

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Freedom means freedom for anyone, including nazi, antifa, 4chan, voat.co and 8chan. We have to educated ourself to engage in discussion, i think when you look in internet bubbles/hugboxes. You don't talk to those people, you ignore or ban them like google did with 8chan or you can ridicule them calling them nazi or virgins/neckbeards. People won't allow any discussion and that will fuel rage, i mean real rage and can…

What philosophical debate do you think you're going to have with a person who titles a blog post: Heather Heyer: Woman Killed in Road Rage Incident was a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old Slut What that guy needs is not acceptance. He needs a psychiatrist.

Allowing and encouraging free speech does not imply agreement with the points of view being presented.

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

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Freedom means freedom for anyone, including nazi, antifa, 4chan, voat.co and 8chan. We have to educated ourself to engage in discussion, i think when you look in internet bubbles/hugboxes. You don't talk to those people, you ignore or ban them like google did with 8chan or you can ridicule them calling them nazi or virgins/neckbeards. People won't allow any discussion and that will fuel rage, i mean real rage and can…

Freedom means freedom for anyone, including nazi, antifa, 4chan, voat.co and 8chan well sure, but doesn't freedom also mean you're allowed to select whether or not you want to host their websites?

The entire internet infrastructure is controlled by private companies. Many of which are incorporated in the US.

If you hold to the belief that internet infrastructure companies should be free to censor anything and everything they want to, there is no such thing as free speech on the internet.

That future is not one I personally subscribe to; I believe in the basic human right to express one self, and as ubiquitous as the internet is as a means of communication, that means people must be free to express themselves on the internet.

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why "pushed" to censor? They have a TOS, they enforced it. And I'd much rather have my social opprobrium doled out in the marketplace. Ideologies should absolutely have costs.

Did this TOS magically appear overnight? GoDaddy has been hosting this website a very long time. This wasn't an ideological decision by them, it was a business decision. If it was a TOS violation that would've happened a long time ago.

GoDaddy is infamous for suspending service without notice and not standing up for their customers at all.

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

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I wounder if this is the start of a significantly less free internet. In the past if one site started censoring ideas, one could open up a new site to express those ideas. Now that a hosting site is removing a site for hateful ideas, I wounder what would come next. Maybe in the not so distant future, sites that publish mainstream Republican news will be removed from GoDaddy, or maybe sites that disagree with SOPA [1]…

> there has to be a media for them to express their ideas. No, there doesn't. Nazism had its chance. We fought a world war over it. I think popular opinion came down on the side of "hang Nazis and prevent this ever happening again." > there should be a rule similar to net neutrality Unfortunately, Trump and his cabinet are against net neutrality.

    >  I think popular opinion came down on the side 
    > of "hang Nazis and prevent this ever happening again."
I doubt you really believe in the "wisdom of crowds", or that the march of progress is an irreversible cosmic force, or that God will suddenly start intervening before fascism can take hold.

I don't understand what you're basing your confidence on, aside from optimism.

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