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California Court Orders Vinod Khosla to Reopen Disputed Beach

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Re: California Court Orders Vinod Khosla to Reopen Disputed Beach

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I can see his point of view, though: as a rich man, he should be able to do what he wants, and lay claim to this beautiful stretch of the Pacific Ocean.

What if Bill Gates bought the entire coastline? How does that help society? Society has relatively little to gain from letting the super rich buy up fundamentally scarce bits of land like this. Meanwhile making it public access means way more people can appreciate the beach. Not like this VC is on the beach most of the time anyways.

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Re: California Court Orders Vinod Khosla to Reopen Disputed Beach

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So, how do we make sure that he never tries to pull this stunt again? The level of fines the law allows doesn't seem to be doing anything.

You could make it more than just a fight over coastal access. You could make it so that he has more at stake than just this case. He publishes a list of companies his firm has a financial interest in: http://www.khoslaventures.com/portfolio/all-companies

If people truly care about this issue, they can organize public campaigns against those companies as a message to founders to avoid his money or face consequences. He may laugh off fines the court imposes, but this being a stain on his professional reputation would be more damaging.

But it would be hard to pull off. There are some HN favorites in there. How many people here are willing to avoid Stripe or Gitlab over beach access? He's betting that it's not many.

Re: California Court Orders Vinod Khosla to Reopen Disputed Beach

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> One year later, his management companies closed the gate and put up a no-access sign. A billboard that had advertised beach access was painted over. What a jerk.

Christ, what an asshole!

Have you met Vinod? He's..... intense.

Re: California Court Orders Vinod Khosla to Reopen Disputed Beach

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Why is a beach up for sale if it's not up for private gating?

(Why doesn't California declare its coastline public property that is not-for-sale?)

edit: Just found out the answer. Beaches themselves are never for sale, even though properties right up to the edge of the beach are. Next question: Are all river banks public property too? Can you not build a manufacturing plant at a river bank? What about lakes? Are lakes public property?

Re: California Court Orders Vinod Khosla to Reopen Disputed Beach

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I can see his point of view, though: as a rich man, he should be able to do what he wants, and lay claim to this beautiful stretch of the Pacific Ocean.

Why stop there? As a rich man, he should be able to replace his failing liver by claiming yours. Alas, he can't in either case, because we the people have created limiting the unchecked exercise of power.

I know sarcasm is hard to nail down on the internet, but I thought that one was pretty clear.

Re: California Court Orders Vinod Khosla to Reopen Disputed Beach

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Why is a beach up for sale if it's not up for private gating? (Why doesn't California declare its coastline public property that is not-for-sale?) edit: Just found out the answer. Beaches themselves are never for sale, even though properties right up to the edge of the beach are. Next question: Are all river banks public property too? Can you not build a manufacturing plant at a river bank? What about lakes? Are lake…

It already did. California Constitution, Title X, section 4.

Re: California Court Orders Vinod Khosla to Reopen Disputed Beach

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So, how do we make sure that he never tries to pull this stunt again? The level of fines the law allows doesn't seem to be doing anything.

You could make it more than just a fight over coastal access. You could make it so that he has more at stake than just this case. He publishes a list of companies his firm has a financial interest in: http://www.khoslaventures.com/portfolio/all-companies If people truly care about this issue, they can organize public campaigns against those companies as a message to founders to avoid his money or face consequences. H…

That kind of scorched earth tactic is simply inhumane, regardless of the target.

Re: California Court Orders Vinod Khosla to Reopen Disputed Beach

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Christ, what an asshole!

Have you met Vinod? He's..... intense.

Who hasn't met Vinod?! I was just Vinodding myself the other day, and I thought "why not call Vinod, do some Vinod together?" Of course he's out in Vinod, doing some Vinod with friends. That Vinod...intense is a good word for Vinod!

Re: California Court Orders Vinod Khosla to Reopen Disputed Beach

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Why is a beach up for sale if it's not up for private gating? (Why doesn't California declare its coastline public property that is not-for-sale?) edit: Just found out the answer. Beaches themselves are never for sale, even though properties right up to the edge of the beach are. Next question: Are all river banks public property too? Can you not build a manufacturing plant at a river bank? What about lakes? Are lake…

Many places consider the land below the high-water line of navigable waterways to be public (in midwest US at least). So if you're canoeing down the river and eat lunch on the bank, you're generally not trespassing. Smaller lakes are generally not considered navigable, though I'm not sure how it works for huge lakes like Michigan. I suspect a similar 'high-water' line is relevant.

You'd truly be pretty dense if you wanted to build a permenant structure below the high water mark.

Re: California Court Orders Vinod Khosla to Reopen Disputed Beach

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Just so we don't go over the same thing again, Khosla's unique claim is that the title to the land derives from a land grant from before California was a state, with which he justifies disregarding the CCC.

A year after the case was filed, however, a San Mateo County Superior Court judge dealt Friends of Martin’s Beach a setback, ruling there was no right of access. He said the property was subject to the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, an agreement that ended the Mexican-American War and required the United States to recognize Mexican land grants.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-martins-beach-sn...

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