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Windows Subsystem for Linux on Windows Server

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Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux on Windows Server

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Post by pweissbrod »

penpapersw wrote: post #2

> "you cannot currently use WSL to run persistent Linux services, daemons, jobs, etc. as background tasks." Still, this has me wondering if that's the ultimate goal here. Is Microsoft trying to position Windows 10 as a high quality Linux server in the long-term?

That's something I look forward to. Does anyone know of a solution of reliable SFTP on windows? By SFTP I mean copy-over-ssh as opposed to FTP with TLS. So I guess I'm asking for a standard sshd running as a windows service.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux on Windows Server

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Post by my123 »

jfktrey wrote: post #20
oblio wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NT has had support for "personalities" since its inception. This is not even the first *NIX one it has had :) Still, I agree that it's an impressive achievement.

What was the first?

The first featured one was Interix, which became SFU and then SUA. Picoprocesses (the base block behind WSL) were introduced in Windows 8.1, where SUA was removed (was deprecated in 8.0).

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux on Windows Server

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Post by Spivak »

basch wrote: post #4
penpapersw wrote: post #2

> "you cannot currently use WSL to run persistent Linux services, daemons, jobs, etc. as background tasks." Still, this has me wondering if that's the ultimate goal here. Is Microsoft trying to position Windows 10 as a high quality Linux server in the long-term?

this is not the first time microsoft has done this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Services_for_UNIX one could even argue they are somewhere between the embrace and extend phase.

It's a risky move to embrace your competitor's platform. Once this tech matures will people prefer SSH to RDS/WinRM? Will people write software for IIS or will they use WSL to deploy their Apache/Nginx config? When enterprisey software starts shipping with a WSL requirement will admins decide to move to Linux where their software is a 1st class citizen?

Why would you choose to be Windows native when its much easier to go cross platform starting with Linux?

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux on Windows Server

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Post by pjmlp »

wmf wrote: post #16
pjmlp wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the same reason people use OS X to actually develop applications that will actually run on GNU/Linux.

So you're saying develop on Windows Server and deploy on Linux? Why not develop on desktop Windows?

No, develop on Windows and deploy on Windows Server with the new POSIX subsystem.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux on Windows Server

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Post by johnhenry »

erentz wrote: post #3

I've been using WSL on Windows 10 since it's release. I'd love to know the inside story of how it came to be. A lot of companies would never try something like this. For me WSL has worked as perfect as could be expected, nothing failed to run that I need yet. The gaps are being slowly closed (e.g. executing between WSL/Windows). I no longer have to develop in a VM, nor be forced to use a Mac just because it has "unix…

It seems that this grew out of a project initially designed to port Android apps to Windows Phone https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/04/why-m....

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux on Windows Server

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Post by Spivak »

gargarplex wrote: post #8

I am not even joking. In the next few years we are going to see Linux on the desktop!

See, as much as it's a meme at this point, this is really where the GNU/Linux distinction is important. WSL is really GNU/Windows which is probably horrifying and a massive success story for the FSF.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux on Windows Server

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Post by Spivak »

pjmlp wrote: post #14
gargarplex wrote: post #8

I am not even joking. In the next few years we are going to see Linux on the desktop!

Not really because what Microsoft is doing is actually GNU/Windows. Google is busy with ChromeOS/Linux and Android/Linux. Apple keeps developing their NeXTSTEP/BSD derivative.

This is actually really interesting. Google doesn't have a kernel so they're borrowing Linux. Microsoft doesn't have a good developer userspace so they're borrowing GNU's.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux on Windows Server

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Post by ajross »

prodikl wrote: post #26
nickthemagicman wrote: post #22

Lol, what about just using Linux.

photoshop, muscle memory in that order

But this is an announcement about a feature addition to the Windows Server product (not Win10, which already has it), which does little to no image editing in practice and tends to be touched by zero muscle-driven input devices in production use.
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