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Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by cmahler7 »

saimiam wrote: post #14

(Not an economist. Current h1b visa holder about to leave the US to grow my company in India.) A country whose indigenous population growth is stagnating, whose indigenous population does currently not pick up all available jobs, whose economy is 6x as big as Canada and Australia combined is choosing to turn away immigrants. From a purely numerical standpoint, an 18T dollar economy built by 330M individuals will star…

How about we spend the same hundreds of millions or billions incentivizing those smart people to have kids rather than importing uneducated people because they breed like rabbits? Bringing in millions of people who will most likely be reliant on government benefits while punishing successful people isn't a winning strategy. Only 13% of Germany's refugees have found work, not really helping GDP.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-su...

75% will still be unemployed in 5 years.

https://www.ft.com/content/022de0a4-54f4-11e7-9fed-c19e27000...

Instead of spending that money on welfare for uneducated immigrants spend it on paid leave for parents, health care, and better tax incentives for tax payers who have kids. You're basically promoting idiocracy the movie

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by humanrebar »

> Priority is given to prime working ages.

Isn't this basically ageism, the kind that is outlawed federally?

Perhaps the concern is about the economics of importing people who are harder to provide insurance or pensions for. But for that I could see a requirement for a certain level of insurance. Or a disqualification from entitlement programs for a while.

To go straight to age ranking is disappointing.

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by k-mcgrady »

gambiting wrote: post #12
lnreddy wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a feature, not a bug. The ideal US immigration system should only welcome extraordinary people into the country.

I do wonder why. The American dream was available to pretty much anyone willing to try it through the green card lottery. Someone with no money and no education could try coming to US and making it big like many other people before. Or is the green card lottery programme not being scrapped?

>> The American dream was available to pretty much anyone willing to try it through the green card lottery.

Your odds of winning are something like 0.2%. If you're one of those selected I believe there's still only a 50% chance you will make it through as they select twice as many 'winners' as they have spots available. I applied for about 8 years I think without success. I then stopped after realising I had nothing to gain from moving to the US.

Also, the program is limited to persons from certain countries (for example if you like in England/Scotland/Wales you cannot apply).

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by AStrangeMorrow »

gberger wrote: post #20

Some quick math for an "average" college grad: - [Age] 22-25: +8 - [Education] Foreign BS: +5 - [English] 90th percentile (108 or more on TOEFL [0]): +11 This amounts to 24 points, needing 6 more to achieve 30. A job offer of 150% the median household income of the state is only +5 points, so the candidate would need a 200% offer. This means, using 2015 data [1]: - California: $64.5k -> $129k - Washington: $64k -> $1…

I am a bit curious about the 90th percentile tho.

  "Anyone with less than a 60th percentile proficiency gets no points. Between 60th and 80th percentile is worth six points, someone in the 80th to 90th percentile range earns 10 points, someone with a 90th percentile proficiency or above earns 11 points, and someone in the 100th percentile range earns 12 points"
I can't understand if it means, on a test with 1000 points, for the 90th percentile:

1.) you scored at least 900 points.

Or

2.) you did better than 90% of the persons that took the test (That's what I understand by percentile. But it doesn't make sense since mathematically you can't have a 100th percentile. Except if you approximate 99.995 -> 100)

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by gberger »

AStrangeMorrow wrote: post #25
gberger wrote: post #20

Some quick math for an "average" college grad: - [Age] 22-25: +8 - [Education] Foreign BS: +5 - [English] 90th percentile (108 or more on TOEFL [0]): +11 This amounts to 24 points, needing 6 more to achieve 30. A job offer of 150% the median household income of the state is only +5 points, so the candidate would need a 200% offer. This means, using 2015 data [1]: - California: $64.5k -> $129k - Washington: $64k -> $1…

I am a bit curious about the 90th percentile tho. "Anyone with less than a 60th percentile proficiency gets no points. Between 60th and 80th percentile is worth six points, someone in the 80th to 90th percentile range earns 10 points, someone with a 90th percentile proficiency or above earns 11 points, and someone in the 100th percentile range earns 12 points" I can't understand if it means, on a test with 1000 point…

A 100th percentile would probably mean a perfect score on the exam.

https://magoosh.com/toefl/2015/whats-your-toefl-percentile/

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by dakna »

gambiting wrote: post #12
lnreddy wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a feature, not a bug. The ideal US immigration system should only welcome extraordinary people into the country.

I do wonder why. The American dream was available to pretty much anyone willing to try it through the green card lottery. Someone with no money and no education could try coming to US and making it big like many other people before. Or is the green card lottery programme not being scrapped?

You actually need quite a bit of money to be eligible for the diversity visa AKA green card lottery. One of the requirements is that you are able to support yourself for weeks/months while you are looking for a job. Proof of funds is required, and it better be around $10k per person.

Having said that, I still think you are on point about the American Dream available for everyone willing to work hard. It just starts before you enter the US since green cards are not handed out that easily even though it is called a lottery.

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by IanCal »

dublinclontarf wrote: post #17
erispoe wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That relies on the premise that immigration of "ordinary" people is somehow detrimental to the existing US population. This is, to my knowledge, not supported by any fact or study.

> That relies on the premise that immigration of "ordinary" people is somehow detrimental to the existing US population. How so?

If bringing in ordinary people is beneficial, then it seems reasonable to say an ideal system would allow that.

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by moomin »

AStrangeMorrow wrote: post #25
gberger wrote: post #20

Some quick math for an "average" college grad: - [Age] 22-25: +8 - [Education] Foreign BS: +5 - [English] 90th percentile (108 or more on TOEFL [0]): +11 This amounts to 24 points, needing 6 more to achieve 30. A job offer of 150% the median household income of the state is only +5 points, so the candidate would need a 200% offer. This means, using 2015 data [1]: - California: $64.5k -> $129k - Washington: $64k -> $1…

I am a bit curious about the 90th percentile tho. "Anyone with less than a 60th percentile proficiency gets no points. Between 60th and 80th percentile is worth six points, someone in the 80th to 90th percentile range earns 10 points, someone with a 90th percentile proficiency or above earns 11 points, and someone in the 100th percentile range earns 12 points" I can't understand if it means, on a test with 1000 point…

I'm a bit curious as to whether or not you're going to get marked down for spelling colour with a u.

Re: How to earn 'points' under Trump immigration plan?

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Post by [deleted] »

erispoe wrote: post #16
lnreddy wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a feature, not a bug. The ideal US immigration system should only welcome extraordinary people into the country.

That relies on the premise that immigration of "ordinary" people is somehow detrimental to the existing US population. This is, to my knowledge, not supported by any fact or study.

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