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⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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It's OT but how many people actually use RHEL? Or CentOS (more likely). I'm not a fan of systemd, but have really loathed CentOS/RHEL compared to Debian/* for years.

As a general rule if the end customer was finance/bank their Linux flavor was RedHat (someone to yell at when it broke). Other tech companies / web types it was Ubuntu. This was my experience in over 4 startups where these were are end customers. Your mileage may vary.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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I am as happy as anyone that XFS is finally getting the position of honor it deserves on enterprise Linux (something like 15 years later than it should have, grumble grumble) but it doesn't really take the place of what btrfs was trying to do. Only ZFS is in a position to do that. I wonder if there are any plans for supporting the native port on RHEL.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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It's OT but how many people actually use RHEL? Or CentOS (more likely). I'm not a fan of systemd, but have really loathed CentOS/RHEL compared to Debian/* for years.

We run one CentOS 6 server at work (which uses upstart, not systemd). The initial reason was that it needed to run on Hyper-V, and the Debian VM I had set up first, kept losing its network connection every couple of minutes, which was especially annoying since I wanted to run Nagios on that system. ;-)

So I did a bit of digging and found out that CentOS ran on Hyper-V just fine. I installed it and had no real reason to complain since. The selection of packages is rather spartan compared to Debian, but there is a third-party repository called EPEL that makes up for that.

Some things are different from Debian, of course, but nothing big, and the system has given me no problems whatsoever on the performance and reliability fronts.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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It's OT but how many people actually use RHEL? Or CentOS (more likely). I'm not a fan of systemd, but have really loathed CentOS/RHEL compared to Debian/* for years.

We run one CentOS 6 server at work (which uses upstart, not systemd). The initial reason was that it needed to run on Hyper-V, and the Debian VM I had set up first, kept losing its network connection every couple of minutes, which was especially annoying since I wanted to run Nagios on that system. ;-) So I did a bit of digging and found out that CentOS ran on Hyper-V just fine. I installed it and had no real reason…

EPEL doesn't get security updates.

Security support for a wide range of packages is also a reason to prefer Debian over Ubuntu, since most of the Debian-inherited packages ("universe") are excluded in Ubuntu.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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It's OT but how many people actually use RHEL? Or CentOS (more likely). I'm not a fan of systemd, but have really loathed CentOS/RHEL compared to Debian/* for years.

As a general rule if the end customer was finance/bank their Linux flavor was RedHat (someone to yell at when it broke). Other tech companies / web types it was Ubuntu. This was my experience in over 4 startups where these were are end customers. Your mileage may vary.

CentOS is extremely popular among startups. It lets you directly use RPMs, which many software publishers distribute on their own (not the case for debs, often), and gives you an upgrade path to buy RHEL when you want someone to yell at and not throw away all your automation.

I’m not trying to start a flame war here (honest), but among most “usual web” ops folks I know, the opposite of what you’re suggesting seems to hold and Debian/Ubuntu are looked at as an odd choice. It’s probably hire #1 going with what they know, more than anything, and it could very well be selection bias regarding the people I know. I’d love to see stats.

I’ve been working with CentOS or OEL in my own roles for several years now, and I’ve never chosen it. (Not saying I wouldn’t, just that it’s been there when I get there.)

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We run one CentOS 6 server at work (which uses upstart, not systemd). The initial reason was that it needed to run on Hyper-V, and the Debian VM I had set up first, kept losing its network connection every couple of minutes, which was especially annoying since I wanted to run Nagios on that system. ;-) So I did a bit of digging and found out that CentOS ran on Hyper-V just fine. I installed it and had no real reason…

EPEL doesn't get security updates. Security support for a wide range of packages is also a reason to prefer Debian over Ubuntu, since most of the Debian-inherited packages ("universe") are excluded in Ubuntu.

EPEL gets security updates just like fedora does. Packages are usually maintained in the same gut repositories. However there is no guarantee that you will receive security updates as there is no support contract. But you have a similar problem in Debian if the maintainer isn't keeping up

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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It's OT but how many people actually use RHEL? Or CentOS (more likely). I'm not a fan of systemd, but have really loathed CentOS/RHEL compared to Debian/* for years.

Amazon Linux is CentOS 6.something with new kernels and security fixes for the associated packages.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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It's OT but how many people actually use RHEL? Or CentOS (more likely). I'm not a fan of systemd, but have really loathed CentOS/RHEL compared to Debian/* for years.

The E stands for "Enterprise", so there's a hint about the target audience. You can get support for a 10 year old RHEL version after you entangle it to your stuck in time IT infra :)
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