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Re: Activation emails

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Yes you're right - this was just off the top of my head... There might of course also be other valid reasons for wanting an e-mail adresse.

Yeah, for example uniquely identifying users.

You can do that with a username....

Re: Activation emails

#22
post #3

Look at it from a business perspective: What do you gain from having an e-mail: - usually nothing, unless you send your users spam. What do you lose from having an e-mail: - around 10% of your potential customers. (the number probably varies wildly from site to site) - People who lose their password can't get into their account, unless they choose to provide an optional e-mail adress. To me that is a pretty clear cho…

Exactly. The business metric of email lists will keep them from going extinct.

Re: Activation emails

#23
While in most cases you probably don't want to prevent users from signing up, there are cases where a few hurdles can be a good thing. If you have a site that depends heavily on user-generated content and registration is pretty much exclusively for posting privileges, the registration process can be one means by which you filter for higher quality, more committed users (assuming your site is in any danger of having lots of users who will submit low-quality content).

Re: Activation emails

#24
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, for example uniquely identifying users.

You can do that with a username....

True however then users have to think followed by get frustrated dreaming up a name. They already know their email address. And unless they already signed up its probably not taken.

Re: Activation emails

#25
why not use authentication APIs from yahoo/gmail/hotmail etc for the login/account creation process. It will accomplish not only validating email address, but also creating an account in one step.

Re: Activation emails

#26
Two huge reasons that activation emails are worthwhile:

- validation (to a reasonable extent) that a user is who they say they are

- enhanced security for users

The whole war on sign up forms and the like is far overblown imo. If your users are going to have even a moderate level of ongoing interaction with your site (especially if your site has social aspects to it) it is necessary to include some form of identity verification.

I, for one, would think quite poorly of a company that allowed someone else to sign up for an account using my email address.

Re: Activation emails

#27
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can do that with a username....

True however then users have to think followed by get frustrated dreaming up a name. They already know their email address. And unless they already signed up its probably not taken.

I think the frustration of entering your email, checking you inbox and following a confirmation link is a lot more than the frustration of dreaming up a name - which you have to do anyway unless you use your email as a login.

I think that the metrics support this view as well.

Re: Activation emails

#28
post #26

Two huge reasons that activation emails are worthwhile: - validation (to a reasonable extent) that a user is who they say they are - enhanced security for users The whole war on sign up forms and the like is far overblown imo. If your users are going to have even a moderate level of ongoing interaction with your site (especially if your site has social aspects to it) it is necessary to include some form of identity v…

I mean, it's one thing if your site has very little interaction with its users. If you want to have any sort of meaningful long-term relationship, though, go ahead and verify them.

Re: Activation emails

#29
post #3

Look at it from a business perspective: What do you gain from having an e-mail: - usually nothing, unless you send your users spam. What do you lose from having an e-mail: - around 10% of your potential customers. (the number probably varies wildly from site to site) - People who lose their password can't get into their account, unless they choose to provide an optional e-mail adress. To me that is a pretty clear cho…

The other legitimate use of email is for actual features that use email-- internal messaging, invitations, notifications, reminders, etc.

All your users have it-- have you thought about when your users might like to be notified about new activity relating to them? (opt-in, of course)

Re: Activation emails

#30
Having a user's email can be extremely useful and many times necessary. When you make changes to your TOS/privacy policy, you can send them notifications. When they receive an internal private message, you can send them a notification. You can also send them updates about your service. Also, email is probably still the most powerful marketing vehicle. If you ignore it, you've just lost a very powerful ally in your path to success.

Now, how you collect this email is also extremely important. The best way to collect emails is through double-opt-in. User first requests to receive messages from you (a checkmark during the signup is sufficient) and then they confirm the subscription when they receive the email. Why is this important? It prevents people from claiming that you're a spammer. If you follow this procedure and if you keep these records (i.e. dates, IPs etc), you can defend your email when you get spam complaints from other postmasters. It is CRITICAL that you followup on these spam reports since you can easily get blacklisted on all of the email services and your emails will never be delivered. If you use email list services (like Aweber etc),they require you use double opt-in and won't allow you to add an email without it. I like these various email contact services since they deliver emails to inboxes of pretty much all of the email service providers and they fight every spam report on your behalf.

So yeah, I understand the need to have an easy signup but you should also think ahead. My suggestion is to start with no double opt-in and add it later on as your site grows and you start receiving spam complaints.

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